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[blawre]

Thanks, I appreciate your assessment.

[klwed]

+1 on MC68. I was a big fan of 65 and I'm hearing slightly more weight and slightly clearer imaging. No negatives have surfaced, so I'm keeping it.

[Ben Webster]

MC69 available

[HungryBear]

MC69 is brighter than 67/66/65. MC69 is the brightest, most present MC so far, but the highs are more natural than in previous versions.

 

MC69 also have less lower mids and upper bass than MC68, but is more extended with more sub bass.

 

The sub bass might be actually the best I have ever head. I just wish MC69 was less bright.

 

I suspect OryA's system is overly dark, so he compensate for that by making overly bright MC.

[kezman]

Registered to explain a common misunderstanding concerning MinorityClean.
It does not have its own sound, bright for example. Every new version is better than the previous one and makes noise in the computer lower and lower.
One can get the same by filtering the power supplies,undervolting, etc.
If we can make an assumption that we can measure overall RF noise adding to jitter, or jitter itself in some units, say, 200 for a powerful pc, 150 for a notebook, 50 for a clean linear powered pc with filters and undervolting everywhere.
Then MC deducts 10 from each score. And the effect on the sound will be different at each level.
But positive everywhere and more so with every new version.
Any HF harshness is the product of your gear, MC is going in the right direction.
Even if it's exposing the weaknesses of your system. Sad but true...

[HungryBear]

Registered to explain a common misunderstanding concerning MinorityClean.
It does not have its own sound, bright for example. Every new version is better than the previous one and makes noise in the computer lower and lower.
One can get the same by filtering the power supplies,undervolting, etc.
If we can make an assumption that we can measure overall RF noise adding to jitter, or jitter itself in some units, say, 200 for a powerful pc, 150 for a notebook, 50 for a clean linear powered pc with filters and undervolting everywhere.
Then MC deducts 10 from each score. And the effect on the sound will be different at each level.
But positive everywhere and more so with every new version.
Any HF harshness is the product of your gear, MC is going in the right direction.
Even if it's exposing the weaknesses of your system. Sad but true...

Have you actually compared various versions of MC side by side?

 

OryA himself said about one of the versions it is too bright.

 

Jitter have more parameters than just the absolute timing error. Jitter also have its amplitude. Jitter is a time-varying signal and have its spectral density. You can have jitter on different frequencies. You have various types of jitter - random and deterministic. How much of each is present? All these things DEFINITELY and MEASURABLY affect tonal balance of the sound.

 

10ps of deterministic jitter on 90000 Hz will sound different than 10ps of gaussian jitter on 50000 Hz.

 

The absolute timing error is 10ps every time but the jitter is completely different.

 

50ps of gaussian jitter on 90000 Hz might sound better than 10ps of deterministic jitter on 50000 Hz.

 

This is just a basic knowledge really.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitter

 

 

[BernieK]

Registered to explain a common misunderstanding concerning MinorityClean.
It does not have its own sound, bright for example. Every new version is better than the previous one and makes noise in the computer lower and lower.
One can get the same by filtering the power supplies,undervolting, etc.
If we can make an assumption that we can measure overall RF noise adding to jitter, or jitter itself in some units, say, 200 for a powerful pc, 150 for a notebook, 50 for a clean linear powered pc with filters and undervolting everywhere.
Then MC deducts 10 from each score. And the effect on the sound will be different at each level.
But positive everywhere and more so with every new version.
Any HF harshness is the product of your gear, MC is going in the right direction.
Even if it's exposing the weaknesses of your system. Sad but true...

 

Interesting. If each new version of MC is consistently more 'positive everywhere' and reduces even more computer noise, shouldn't the effect of each new MC version on, for example, the high frequency range in a particular system be a consistently greater change in the same direction on that system? If so, why are some succeeding versions of MC reported to be less, not more, bright than preceding versions on the same systems? Why are variations (sometimes more emphasis, sometimes less) and not consistent changes in specific frequency ranges reported for new MC versions in the same systems? I, and I'm certain others, would like to have a clear idea of exactly how MC works, but I'm having difficulty reconciling your explanation of MC's mode of action with the observations reported here in numerous posts.

[Ben Webster]

It does not have its own sound, bright for example. Every new version is better than the previous one and makes noise in the computer lower and lower.
...
But positive everywhere and more so with every new version.
Any HF harshness is the product of your gear, MC is going in the right direction.
Even if it's exposing the weaknesses of your system. Sad but true...

I guess, this is the theory behind MC.

 

The reality is totally different. There is no clear direction in improvement. And I know, which effect less jitter and better power supply have.

 

Have you ever tried the different versions?

[kezman]

Yes, tried 30, 62, 64-69. Never preferred an older version.
And the change was always similar - more high frequency definition, more overall fluidity and clearness of quiet sounds.

Ok. Got you all. Cannot say that I heard it that way.

[Ben Webster]

I tried most of all till 66, I preferred 57. After buying JCat Duo Optimo Duo for my two JCat Femto NetCards in my 2 PC-Setup, I’m also happy without MC...

[qyy]

I tried most of all from 24 to 69, I preferred 69.

[blawre]

Been listening to Mc69 for the last three days and it doesn't seem to have any nasties, and is low on listening fatigue. Not overbright in my system.

[Thuan]

MC69 reveals weaknesses of my setup and gives me some clues where and how to address them. Now listening to music with MC69 on, local files or streaming, jazz or classical or anything in between, even when the setup is still cold in the winter morning, it’s hard for me to turn it off and leave for daily routines. In fact, I’ve missed a few appointments already.

Thank you all for your assessments, positive or negative. They all are mostly accurate IMHO and tell me that our setups are different.

[FelipeRolim]

After all, what is the purpose of so many successive releases of Minority Clean? If I'm not mistaken, there have been days when two new versions have been released. In a single day! How should I understand this? Is the proposal for a newer one to be better than the older one, or not necessarily?

[Ben Webster]

MC70 available

[billgr]

MC71 Is available!

 

http://MinorityClean...0_Rev71_x64.zip

[Iain]

Hi link just takes me back here?

[Iain]

http://www.mics.ne.j...0_Rev71_x64.zip

[billgr]

Weird, my apologies. 

[Iain]

No worries. 🙂 Haven't been able to try it yet. Looking forward to hearing others thoughts