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[mkmind]

Sorry to write here again, but the newer ES versions are awesome!!!!

 

I'm only with the ES32, but it's so good, you can't believe it's just the removal of the jitter....

 

But listening to just the ES32 alone, whether via Fidelizer or the AllCore, I still find too delicate. I prefer the AO3.0 + Fidelizer Purist version, on both computers, Control as well as Audio, but then the ES32 on the Control and the MC288/LE50 on the Audio, is so far the best I have heard in terms of dynamics, presence, space, stage, on my Linn setup.

 

Well, listen to the Linn Kaber, but not in active, but what Oryyya does, money can't really buy. Really, such a difference. My best friend, listens to Naim and currently Kef boxes. Also the ES 32 on a Win2012R2, AO2.2 single PC, and won't listen without Oryyya anymore.....

 

How can this be? The good man from Japan seems to have an ear that you don't find under 100,000.

 

Have a nice evening

 

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Sorry, wenn ich hier nochmal schreibe, aber die neueren ES Versionen sind der Hammer!!!

 

Bin zwar erst bei der ES32, aber die ist so gut, man kann es gar nicht glauben, dass das nur die Entfernung des Jitter ist....

 

Aber alleine nur die ES32 zu hören, egal ob per Fidelizer oder dem AllCore, finde ich immer noch zu zart. Ich bevorzuge die AO3.0 + Fidelizer Purist Version, auf beiden Rechnern, Control wie Audio, aber dann die ES32 auf dem Control und die MC288/LE50 auf dem Audio, ist bisher das beste was ich an Dynamik, Präsenz, Raum, Bühne, gehört habe, auf meinem Linn Setup.

 

Naja, höre die Linn Kaber, aber nicht in aktiv,  aber was Oryyya macht, kann man eigentlich nicht für Geld kaufen. Wirklich, so ein Unterschied. Mein bester Freund, hört Naim und z.Z. Kef Boxen. Auch die ES 32 auf einem Win2012R2, AO2.2 Single PC, und will nicht mehr ohne Oryyya hören.....

 

Wie kann das angehen? Der gute Mann aus Japan, scheint ja ein Gehör zu haben, dass man unter 100.000 nicht findet.

 

Schönen Abend noch

[maxst67]

This is the link for the most recent version of ES:

 

https://www.mics.ne....MajiorityClean/

 

Almost all past versions of MC, LE and ES can be downloaded from here:

 

https://mega.nz/fold...FfDUVaxn-zLNmQ 

Excuse me again, thank you very much Bernie K for the link you provided me but I cannot download what I am interested in, it is as if it were a format that my pc does not recognize, or perhaps simply my limited capabilities. I would just like to use TC and enter the ES33, MC288 and LE50 files: For TC everything ok but I can't download ES33 MC288 and LE50 correctly. If I have not misunderstood I should put the desired files inside the TC folder, by file we mean the one of the various applications with the square symbol ES, MC, LE right? Could I please have the specific link for ES33 and MC288e LE50 so as to make it easier for me? Thanks again
 

[ts8]

Excuse me again, thank you very much Bernie K for the link you provided me but I cannot download what I am interested in, it is as if it were a format that my pc does not recognize, or perhaps simply my limited capabilities. I would just like to use TC and enter the ES33, MC288 and LE50 files: For TC everything ok but I can't download ES33 MC288 and LE50 correctly. If I have not misunderstood I should put the desired files inside the TC folder, by file we mean the one of the various applications with the square symbol ES, MC, LE right? Could I please have the specific link for ES33 and MC288e LE50 so as to make it easier for me? Thanks again
 

 

You may want to try this:

 

https://web.archive....022_1101_17.zip

"RWESART_2022_1101_17.zip"

Size 7,532,001 bytes ( 7.18 MB )

MD5 CB0D201E6AE16BB09219D9E03451D70C

SHA2-256 D068252859D5C4C4F47EFDFC1B9

89D0A4851D68F23B611A26B63B4B45728A5A7

 

or 

 

https://web.archive....022_1104_14.zip

"RWESART_2022_1104_14.zip"

Size 7,532,397 bytes ( 7.18 MB )

MD5 978CBD4FADAC350F007CBA62F734B8CC

SHA2-256 279982000076031C9AAC0E532F7

059CC4A158BDE642C9A47323737CE1C69BFA8

 

I extracted the above from the below _README_.txt:

 

search and download this file _README_.txt from mega..

search _README_.txt again for what you want, e.g. MC288

[BernieK]

Excuse me again, thank you very much Bernie K for the link you provided me but I cannot download what I am interested in, it is as if it were a format that my pc does not recognize, or perhaps simply my limited capabilities. I would just like to use TC and enter the ES33, MC288 and LE50 files: For TC everything ok but I can't download ES33 MC288 and LE50 correctly. If I have not misunderstood I should put the desired files inside the TC folder, by file we mean the one of the various applications with the square symbol ES, MC, LE right? Could I please have the specific link for ES33 and MC288e LE50 so as to make it easier for me? Thanks again
 

 

Hi maxst67,

 

To get the MC288 and LE50 executables do the following.

 

Open the second link in your post (https://mega.nz/fold...FfDUVaxn-zLNmQ ) to get the list of MC, LE and ES files. Navigate down the list to Rewrite_data_4_42_MC288_LE50_X64.7z. Right-click on it and select Download and then Standard Download.

 

The 7z file will download. Unzip the downloaded file with WinRar, 7z, 7-zip or whichever unzipper you use (the password is HUSTLER). Left-click on the opened Rewrite_data_4_42_MC288_LE50_x64 folder, left-click on the Rewrite data 4.42 x64 sub-folder and it will open to give you a list of folders including LemonadeElitest 50 x64 and MajiorityClean 288 x64. All this works, I just tried it to confirm.

 

Left-click on each of those folders in turn and you will see the LemonadeElitest50.exe and MajiorityClean288.exe files, respectively.

 

To get the ES33 executable do the following. In the list of MC, LE and ES files, navigate down the list to Rewrite_Data_4_81_ES33_X64.7z. Right-click on it and select Download and then Standard Download.

 

The 7z file will download. Unzip the downloaded file with WinRar, 7z, 7-zip or whichever unzipper you use (no password required). Left-click on the opened Rewrite_data_4_81_ES33_x64 folder, left-click on the Rewrite data 4.81 sub-folder and it will open to give you the ExerciseStabilizer33.exe file. Again, all this works, I just tried it to confirm.

 

Once you have run TC, copy the LemonadeElitest50.exe, MajiorityClean288.exe and ExerciseStabilizer33.exe files to the MCLE sub-folder of the TrustedClean folder. Then run TC again to install MC, LE and ES as services.

 

Hope that helps,

 

Bernie

[maxst67]

Thanks BernieK perfect explanation ... so I tried the ES33 configuration together with MC288 and LE50 through TC20 and I must say that the sound changes considerably: more spatiality, more detail, more musical information. On the other hand, as others have asserted, I find the sensation of thinning of the sound excessive, the low notes of the piano are too bright and less incisive, just as the male voices with a deep timbre seem to have lost this characteristic .... I would prefer a mix between the previous sound and the one described above: do you have any suggestions on settings? A thousand thanks

[JazzDoc]

Thanks BernieK perfect explanation ... so I tried the ES33 configuration together with MC288 and LE50 through TC20 and I must say that the sound changes considerably: more spatiality, more detail, more musical information. On the other hand, as others have asserted, I find the sensation of thinning of the sound excessive, the low notes of the piano are too bright and less incisive, just as the male voices with a deep timbre seem to have lost this characteristic .... I would prefer a mix between the previous sound and the one described above: do you have any suggestions on settings? A thousand thanks

 

You might want to try TC20 with ES33, as per HungryBear's recommendation. I'm running the combination on both my Control PC and Audio PC and it sounds good to my ears.

[Thuan]

Thanks BernieK perfect explanation ... so I tried the ES33 configuration together with MC288 and LE50 through TC20 and I must say that the sound changes considerably: more spatiality, more detail, more musical information. On the other hand, as others have asserted, I find the sensation of thinning of the sound excessive, the low notes of the piano are too bright and less incisive, just as the male voices with a deep timbre seem to have lost this characteristic .... I would prefer a mix between the previous sound and the one described above: do you have any suggestions on settings? A thousand thanks

Same here. Try TC 1.8, you’ll like it. A bit less detailed but more listenable [musical] IMHO.

[jgwtriode]

Just have realized that order of startup matters. Starting TrustedInstaller first and LocalService second sounds different than starting LocalService first and TrustedInstaller second. Starting LocalService first and NetworkService second sounds very different than starting NetworkService first and LocalService second.

Well time to get back into into.  Need to reload Jplay, have my new rebuilt Gustard X26pro with their U18DDC  now.

 

Have Audiophile Optimizer 3.0 and the latest Fidelizer, which Keetawkwe seems to believe will work with Majority Report.   Of course I also have Process Lasso.    Any problems with the Fidelizer or Optimizer running TC 2.0 with ES33 and maybe fidling with MC or lemonade.   What order of loading would you suggest  and what would optimization of Process Lasso look like on settings.

 

Is it possible to run TC and ES with HQplayer for more versatility with Audio streaming?

 

Happy listening and thanks so much for any feedback or suggestions,

 

jgwtriode

[BernieK]

Hi jgwtriode,

 

There should be no problems using TC, ES, MC and LE with AO 3.0, Fidelizer Pro and Process Lasso (I've used all of them with WS2019 previously).

 

By ''loading'' do you mean installation? If so, the order of installation I would recommend is Process Lasso -> Fidelizer Pro -> AO 3.0 -> TC -> MC,LE,ES (always install Fidelizer before AO).

 

For the Process Lasso settings, see both the Optimization Guide and the Guide for Creating a RAM Disk, the links to which are in my signature.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

[darkblood1984]

ES34+ tc 2.0(Local service, N+N ) resolution  &  presence  is very good 

can replace the es33 now 

[jgwtriode]

Hi jgwtriode,

 

There should be no problems using TC, ES, MC and LE with AO 3.0, Fidelizer Pro and Process Lasso (I've used all of them with WS2019 previously).

 

By ''loading'' do you mean installation? If so, the order of installation I would recommend is Process Lasso -> Fidelizer Pro -> AO 3.0 -> TC -> MC,LE,ES (always install Fidelizer before AO).

 

For the Process Lasso settings, see both the Optimization Guide and the Guide for Creating a RAM Disk, the links to which are in my signature.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

 

Hi jgwtriode,

 

There should be no problems using TC, ES, MC and LE with AO 3.0, Fidelizer Pro and Process Lasso (I've used all of them with WS2019 previously).

 

By ''loading'' do you mean installation? If so, the order of installation I would recommend is Process Lasso -> Fidelizer Pro -> AO 3.0 -> TC -> MC,LE,ES (always install Fidelizer before AO).

 

For the Process Lasso settings, see both the Optimization Guide and the Guide for Creating a RAM Disk, the links to which are in my signature.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

Thanks so much for your insights, 

 

jgwtriode

[BernieK]

ES35 is now available.

 

RWESART_2022_1111_11.zip

[jgwtriode]

Thanks Bernie.

 

Wow that was ridiculously simple compared to the last time about a year ago that I tried to utilize Orya's software enhancement.   As for as the core assignments in TC 2.0 .  I isolate audio to a single core in Fidelizer is that what we are talking about here.  Not clear in what it means matching it to task manager .  For the moment I let TC 2.0 optimize process lasso.  Anything I should worrry about beyond that.  What are your thought on throwing MC and lemonade into the mix. 

 

Started out with Hungry Bear's recommendation.  Running ES 35 and there is clear improvement over not running TC and ES 35.   More flow, music sounds more even, less grainy.  Stage is larger and PRAT is even more apparent.  Just sound more real.  I also noticed I can switch the Gustard into vivid for added detail without any add hardness, sharpness or sense of brittleness in the upper mids on up.  I found I had to switch to composite on a number of brighter recordings with the filter settings. No more!  Very nice!   I am still waiting for a few things before I throw Jplay Femto into the mix. Probably tomorrow night.  So I am just running Qobuz right now.    Sound incredible!

 

Happy Listening,

 

jgwtriode

[VonBrechts]

Thank you so much, Mr. OryA for the new Linux Version of ES 

[jgwtriode]

I am noticing that as I keep playing my system with this it seems like it is breaking in, like cables and components.  It is clearly getting better.  Is their in fact a noticeable break in period to really get a clear sense of what TC 2 and ES 35 are doing?

 

Happy Listening,

 

jgwtriode

[VonBrechts]

I am noticing that as I keep playing my system with this it seems like it is breaking in, like cables and components.  It is clearly getting better.  Is their in fact a noticeable break in period to really get a clear sense of what TC 2 and ES 35 are doing?

 

Happy Listening,

 

jgwtriode

 

Every MC/ES/LE needs more or less time to 'burn in'...no worries! In general you can say after 24 hrs you'll fully hear what MC/ES/LE will sound like...if it fits your system and listening preferences or not.

[BernieK]

Thanks Bernie.

 

Wow that was ridiculously simple compared to the last time about a year ago that I tried to utilize Orya's software enhancement.   As for as the core assignments in TC 2.0 .  I isolate audio to a single core in Fidelizer is that what we are talking about here.

 

 

The core assignments with TC are specifically for MC, LE and ES (or anything else that you place in the MCLE sub-folder of the TrustedClean folder). I'm assuming that in addition to any Windows-specific audio processes, Fidelizer will restrict your media player to a single core if you so choose. But you may need to be careful. Since Fidelizer will be running when you run TC, and may compete with TC regarding core assignments depending on your selections during installation of Fidelizer, Fidelizer may interfere with TC function. Indeed Hungry Bear cautions against having anything running that may affect core assignments while TC is running.

 

To avoid such issues, I start Process Lasso after TC has completed its operations and use Process Lasso for assigning cores for processes other than MC, LE or ES. I let TC handle those.

 

 

  Not clear in what it means matching it to task manager .  For the moment I let TC 2.0 optimize process lasso.  Anything I should worrry about beyond that.  What are your thought on throwing MC and lemonade into the mix.

 

 

Not sure what ''matching it to task manager'' refers to, but the bottom of page 8 in my Optimization Guide has some information that may help. Also see my Optimization Guide (Table 4, page 10) for the additional Process Lasso settings I use. Whether you use MC, LE or ES alone, all three together, or any of the three pair-wise combinations, will depend on what sounds best to you. In this case, there is no one size fits all.

 

 

Started out with Hungry Bear's recommendation.  Running ES 35 and there is clear improvement over not running TC and ES 35.   More flow, music sounds more even, less grainy.  Stage is larger and PRAT is even more apparent.  Just sound more real.  I also noticed I can switch the Gustard into vivid for added detail without any add hardness, sharpness or sense of brittleness in the upper mids on up.  I found I had to switch to composite on a number of brighter recordings with the filter settings. No more!  Very nice!   I am still waiting for a few things before I throw Jplay Femto into the mix. Probably tomorrow night.  So I am just running Qobuz right now.    Sound incredible!

 

 

I'll be interested to learn your impressions of adding JPLAY.

 

 

Happy Listening,

 

jgwtriode

[jgwtriode]

Should Exercise Stabilizer show up in Process Lasso as an active process.  Realize that its best to just let TC 2 load and control it.   But shouldn't  it show up in the Active processes in Process Lasso once I turn it back on after letting TC load ES 35?

 

Just wondering.   Thanks

 

jgwtriode

[jgwtriode]

Interesting ES shows up in Task Manager but not Process Lasso.   Not sure what that means.   Did as your pdfs suggested Bernie.   Wow my first description was based on not properly loading things since Process Lasso was not switched off when I had  TC loading.  Not even sure it was loading.  I also changed Fidelizer according to your recommendations.   Everything is better, more liquid and more detailed. Stage more open and layered.  Even more vibrance and resonance from instrument and voices.  I inadvertently loaded TC twice and then noticed I had 2 instances of ES 35 running.  It sounded a bit weird.  I just one down and noticeably better.  Everything was subtlely smeared and more distant with two instances running.

 

Thanks.  I will keep researching and trying to understand exactly how to implement your ideas.   I am impressed thanks so much,

 

jgwtriode

[BernieK]

Interesting ES shows up in Task Manager but not Process Lasso.   Not sure what that means.   Did as your pdfs suggested Bernie.   Wow my first description was based on not properly loading things since Process Lasso was not switched off when I had  TC loading.  Not even sure it was loading.  I also changed Fidelizer according to your recommendations.   Everything is better, more liquid and more detailed. Stage more open and layered.  Even more vibrance and resonance from instrument and voices.  I inadvertently loaded TC twice and then noticed I had 2 instances of ES 35 running.  It sounded a bit weird.  I just one down and noticeably better.  Everything was subtlely smeared and more distant with two instances running.

 

Thanks.  I will keep researching and trying to understand exactly how to implement your ideas.   I am impressed thanks so much,

 

jgwtriode

 

Hi jgwtriode,

 

ES shows up in Process Lasso and Task Manager on both my Control and Audio-PCs, not sure why it doesn't appear in Process Lasso on your system, it should.

 

The number of ES instances loaded by TC will depend on which option you select for the Launch Mode. The Multi-User options load two instances of ES, the Single instance options load a single instance (as the name indicates), and the Core Isolation options will load multiple instances of ES, the precise number depending on the number of cores involved and whether hyperthreading is on or off.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie