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#3901 Djovanny

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Posted 05 November 2022 - 10:22 PM


I use 288 combine with ES for a wile tryed several versions and was not disappointed each ES with 288 gives different taste but mostly positive. Want to add that ES 33 plus 288 is great very detailed and transparent but i miss little dipper bass and mid bass which makes male vocal nice weight and adds little sweetness to female vocal and analog sound overall, so i desided to try to change priority to above normal and i added another instance of 288 plus 33 and it added what i was missing i like it very much perhaps above normal priority is no need but double 288 plus 33 worth to try it gives me more then just weight sims more space between instruments and more palpable sound
As for Trustet Clean . It is greate and i also found that installing it on ramdisc gives you totally different sound compare to ssd : ram disc gives very detailed clean sound wile ssd gives more calming analog sound (my kind of sound ).incredible overall expirience in both cases just like have 2 different systems without spending for upgrades thank you Oryyyya Hungry Bear and everybody else who contribute to this forum
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Posted 06 November 2022 - 05:35 PM

I use a single PC (Windows 11 + local administrator account) with PL and two different players (Album Player + Pure Asio Player).
 
What settings should I use in TC18 for everything to work fine? Multi-user: local service or Multi-user: Network service or others?


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Posted 06 November 2022 - 07:12 PM

It's pretty much a "try and find out" thing. I'd start with HB's TC1.8 default settings including LocalSvc. Listen to a few tracks, then substitute LocalSvc for NetworkSvc or add NetworkSvc. If still not satisfied yet, add MC 288 for a more analog-like experience.

Modify HB's .bat file to run LocalSvc (RunAs 11) and NetworkSvc (RunAs 10) simultaneously.
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Posted 06 November 2022 - 08:49 PM

Would be great to insert vocals from ES34 to ES31.



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Posted 06 November 2022 - 10:18 PM

It's pretty much a "try and find out" thing. I'd start with HB's TC1.8 default settings including LocalSvc. Listen to a few tracks, then substitute LocalSvc for NetworkSvc or add NetworkSvc. If still not satisfied yet, add MC 288 for a more analog-like experience.

Modify HB's .bat file to run LocalSvc (RunAs 11) and NetworkSvc (RunAs 10) simultaneously.

Exactly this. I'm stealing this explanation for a readme file of new TC update


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Posted 06 November 2022 - 11:51 PM

Just have realized that order of startup matters. Starting TrustedInstaller first and LocalService second sounds different than starting LocalService first and TrustedInstaller second. Starting LocalService first and NetworkService second sounds very different than starting NetworkService first and LocalService second.


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 12:13 AM

Just have realized that order of startup matters. Starting TrustedInstaller first and LocalService second sounds different than starting LocalService first and TrustedInstaller second. Starting LocalService first and NetworkService second sounds very different than starting NetworkService first and LocalService second.

What's your recommended starting order?


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 07:00 AM

What's your recommended starting order?

The one in the upcoming TrustedClean.


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 07:11 AM

HungryBear's TrustedClean v2.0
TrustedClean is an installer for OryA's jitter-eliminating software. It makes the installation as simple as possible, while giving you the best sound possible, automating most of the tasks necessary to properly launch ES/MC/LE.

Features:
  • Brand new Multi-User mode. Sounds better than Core-Isolated mode, with just two instances of ES. OryA came up with an idea for this mode, so full credit goes to him. Credit for Network + Local service mode goes to 1eyerabbit.
  • Affinity management with proper core isolation. For each CPU core, TC can automatically launch single instance of ES/MC/LE isolated to that core, and each instance will be launched with 12s time delay to the previous. It is a combination of PL-style core isolation with Asynchronous Live startup method. Credit for the 12s time delay goes to VonBrechts
  • Each instance can be launched with High IO Priority. This give an improvement on par with RAMdisk, assuming that you are using good NVME drive, making RAMdisk unnecessary in some cases
  • Full compatibility with ExerciseStabilizer, MajiorityClean and LemonadeElitest
  • Portable version for ultimate purists. RAMDisk users should always use portable mode to prevent errors
  • Setup will alwalys ask for destinaion path - good for moving to or from RAMDisk
  • TrustedClean does not rely on filenames for terminating instances and setting priorities anymore, to guarantee compatibility with any software that might be released in the future
  • TrustedClean can be used to automatically set High IO priority to ES/ME/LE and any other application you choose
  • Installation is as simple as it can be. Just place ES/MC/LE files in TrustedClean folder. That's it. ES updated? Just replace the files. Done. Filenames doesn't matter.
  • AudiophileOptimizer and other similar tools are breaking TrustedInstaller. TrustedClean will automatically check and repair TrustedInstaller service and its components.
  • ES/MC/LE startup routine begins 2 minutes after computer startup. During first minutes after the boot, OS is busy doing housekeeping and this might cause micro-stutter and latency, which ruins the timing and makes the sound worse.
  • Process Lasso Optimizer will automatically exclude ES/MC/LE, your media player and ASIO drivers from ProBalance, IdleSaver, SmartTrim and Foreground Boost (optional)
Please turn off Process Lasso core assignment and/or any other affinity management software to get the benefits of TrustedClean.

AllCoresExeLauncher rev2 is integrated with kind permission of OryA.

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Download links:
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https://mega.nz/fold...zyiBvCGL0rbrwtA
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#3910 blawre

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 10:18 AM

Does the new TrustedClean install over previous versions without uninstalling?



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Posted 07 November 2022 - 10:22 AM

Does the new TrustedClean install over previous versions without uninstalling?


Yes
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Posted 07 November 2022 - 10:24 AM

Also, let's not forget the major contribution of VonBrechts in developing the Asynchronous mode, which basically laid the foundation for all the new modes!

I'm so proud of what we did.
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Posted 07 November 2022 - 11:22 AM

Also, let's not forget the major contribution of VonBrechts in developing the Asynchronous mode, which basically laid the foundation for all the new modes!

I'm so proud of what we did.

VonBrechts is so thankful for your warm words  :wub:

 

But he's a bit undecided what starting order and mode (the defaults of TC 1.8 or the defaults of TC 2.0) he prefers... :D


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#3914 BernieK

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 11:40 AM

In response to HungryBear’s release of TrustedClean 20, an excellent tool for use with Oryaaaaa’s greatly appreciated releases of MajiorityClean, LemonadeElitest and ExerciseStabilizer, I have modified the script I designed for automatically creating a RAM drive and installing MC and LE or ES as services via TrustedClean (page 168, post #3357). The generic RAMHMaster.cmd script has been updated to feature use of TrustedClean 20 and the guide for using the script has been revised accordingly.

 

The links in my original post about creating a RAM drive now direct to the updated script and guide, and I have included them here:

 

Generic RAMHMaster.cmd script: https://drive.google...?usp=share_link

 

Revised RAM Disk Creation Guide: https://drive.google...?usp=share_link


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OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which mouse disconnected from Single PC. Control and Audio-PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ES56 (Below normal CPU Priority) on RAM Disk (via TrustedClean 2.0 on RAM Disk) in the Control-PC (Multi-User: Network + Local Service) and Audio-PC (Multi-User: System + Local Service). LE50 plus MC288 on RAM Disk (via TrustedClean 1.8 on RAM Disk) in Single PC (Multi-User: Local Service, Above normal CPU Priority)Process Lasso Server Edition 12.0.2.18, additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For the optimization procedure see my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27 January 2023): https://drive.google...?usp=share_link

RAM Disk: For an automated RAM Disk creation procedure using ImDisk see my Guide for Creating a RAM Disk that Uses TrustedClean (TC) to Run MajiorityClean (MC) and LemonadeElitest (LE) or ExerciseStabilizer (ES) (revised 7 November 2022): https://drive.google...?usp=share_link

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 11.1.7.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 700 (Single PC), 1000 (Control and Audio-PCs), XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON
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Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 12:49 PM

ask for TrustedClean 2.0  http downlink  

like  ExerciseStabilizer 34

 

http://www.mics.ne.j...022_1104_14.zip

 

Could you give TrustedClean 2.0 to Oryaaaaa's website down

 

 

 

 

 

I got TrustedClean 2.0 now     

 

NT Authority     Multi-User  Local service + system service

Compare es33 with Tc1.8
The 2.0 sound is more straightforward and a little brighter complanation
I prefer the deep feel(Stereo feeling) of 1.8
 
tc 2.0 The advantage is explosive power, penetration is very strong,Strong sense of speed,very ture.

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 02:28 PM

Thanks to HungryBear, 1eyerabbit and Oryaaa for their work in developing TC2.0. Thanks also to Bernie for today's revised script, which helped me to get TC2.0 working. Your efforts are much appreciated gentlemen!


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 05:29 PM

VonBrechts is so thankful for your warm words  :wub:

 

But he's a bit undecided what starting order and mode (the defaults of TC 1.8 or the defaults of TC 2.0) he prefers... :D

Please keep in mind the default mode was chosen after listening tests with ES33 only. When you throw MC in the mix, the results might be unexpected.

 

I'd highly recommend trying TC2.0 default settings with ES33 only.


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 05:52 PM

Please keep in mind the default mode was chosen after listening tests with ES33 only. When you throw MC in the mix, the results might be unexpected.

 

I'd highly recommend trying TC2.0 default settings with ES33 only.

what is TC2.0 default settings      Please itemize them in detail    like    NT Authority   Multi-User  Local service + system service

 

https://www.bilibili...o/BV1Dd4y1C7YA/

 

Gryphon Pantheon 221105 es33 tc1.8

 

https://www.bilibili...o/BV1qe4y117mm/

 

Gryphon Pantheon 221108 es33 tc2.0

 

 

Please Listen to the recording and compare the differences


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Posted 07 November 2022 - 07:41 PM

what is TC2.0 default settings      Please itemize them in detail    like    NT Authority   Multi-User  Local service + system service

 

https://www.bilibili...o/BV1Dd4y1C7YA/

 

Gryphon Pantheon 221105 es33 tc1.8

 

https://www.bilibili...o/BV1qe4y117mm/

 

Gryphon Pantheon 221108 es33 tc2.0

 

 

Please Listen to the recording and compare the differences

The 'default' settings are those you see whan you install TC 1.8/ TC 2.0 without changing or uncheck/check the suggested options. They are a bit different due to startup MC/ES/LE as Lokal/Systen/Network. In TC 1.8 the 'default' is Lokal/System in 2.0 it's Lokal/Network. Also the starting order has changed in 2.0. That's why 1.8 and. 2.0 can sound slightly different even if the used MC/ES/LE and every other settings are the same than before.


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#3920 VonBrechts

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 07:45 PM

Please keep in mind the default mode was chosen after listening tests with ES33 only. When you throw MC in the mix, the results might be unexpected.

 

I'd highly recommend trying TC2.0 default settings with ES33 only.

 

You're right to give this recommendation! It's importand if you compare the versions. Nevertheless...I like to do stupid things  :lol:


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