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[seeteeyou]

https://www.audioque...l-EN.pdf#page=2

https://www.audioque...l-EN.pdf#page=2

JitterBug meets all USB 2.0 speed specifications.

 

https://pdf.crutchfi.../703JTRBUG2.PDF

USB 2.0 Data & Power Noise Filter

 

 

 

Going from USB3 to USB2 might not be such a good idea, though something else such as iFi iSilencer+ should be able to maintain Gen1 speed @ 5Gbps

 

https://ifi-audio.co...isilencer-plus/

 

A bit too steep for such a short cable, not sure if that were any making any differences at all?

 

https://www.partscon...ORLD-88016.html

 

 

 

I guess that booting off JCAT USB Card FEMTO would be a bit too challenging?

[internethandle]

Trying boot from the Femto is still in the cards. I will likely use Clover or something similar to attempt, if not Grub4DOS itself. One issue I’ve anticipated is I will need to use some sort of injector between the Femto and the USB media, probably iFi, because the Femto currently has its jumpers set to Marcin’s recommended optimal setting which results in no 5V on the ports needed to power any connected media. This could have its own advantages assuming it works in terms of injecting with a good quality LPS or LT3045 board or some such.

Good point re: the Jitterbug perhaps limiting the bandwidth. I just keep it connected as a “parallel” filter with nothing connected, regardless, since unlike the Femto you cannot kill the 5V to onboard motherboard ports, disabled in BIOS or not.

[samotc]

Hello again, I have been testing LatencyMon, and indeed, there is an improvement in latency between loading WIM and loading ISO TO RAM with G4D, being lower in the latter, my ears, despite my age, did not deceive me, Here I attach 2 txt files with the results of the measurement in Wim and in ISO TO TAM with G4D.

 

Internethandle, I must tell you that if you have CSM mode enabled on your Mobo, you can boot a USB with G4D, so I do it on my wife's PC, and it works perfectly, as long as the USB is partitioned as MBR and is the primary partition and active.

A curious thing that I have found is that when activating TimerResolution "Maximum" the latency measured with LatencyMon worsened ostensibly, so I don't know which to believe, "dpclat.exe" or LatencyMon ?

 

Another curious thing is that the USB latency improves with the boot in G4D, with respect to Wim, it also strikes me that when testing LatencyMon on my host, the processes that caused the most latency were those related to the Nvidia drivers of my graphics card, fortunately I had the intuition not to install them on the XPE.

 

I also compared the latency in the host and in the flatboot, but since it is clear where it is worse, I do not attach files, because I do not want to fill the post with attachments.

 

 

 latency_mon_wim.txt   8.34KB   19 downloads

 latencymon_G4D.txt   8.35KB   17 downloads

[Bobo]

out of curiosity, is it possible to disable the power on a pcie usb card and just have data go through and then use the external power input thats on the card? something like removing or covering the pci pins

[internethandle]

Hi Bobo,

A skilled DIY’er/power supply builder over at the AudiophileStyle forum once modified a Intel Optane 900 PCIe drive to accept external power in a similar manner to what you suggest (I believe in his case he actually physically altered the pins responsible for normally powering the card from the PCI bus, and then did some soldering work to attach wires from an LPS directly to the card). Possible something similar is able to be done on some USB cards, it would depend on the card.

As for disabling 5V output from the ports, unless the card is like the JCAT Femto or similar (I believe the Matrix Element card has a similar function?) with a function to disable 5V/power output, it would just be easiest to buy or create your own data only USB cable, or otherwise use some strategically placed tape/paper over the 5V pin of the USB A connector on the cable IMO. Of course, you must also ensure whatever is on the B side of the cable (DAC or otherwise) doesn’t require 5V for a handshake or similar. In my case, the tX-USBultra between my JCAT Femto card and my DAC only requires the data portion of the USB signal, while the DAC’s USB input circuitry requires 5V for a handshake.

[internethandle]

Hello again, I have been testing LatencyMon, and indeed, there is an improvement in latency between loading WIM and loading ISO TO RAM with G4D, being lower in the latter, my ears, despite my age, did not deceive me, Here I attach 2 txt files with the results of the measurement in Wim and in ISO TO TAM with G4D.

Internethandle, I must tell you that if you have CSM mode enabled on your Mobo, you can boot a USB with G4D, so I do it on my wife's PC, and it works perfectly, as long as the USB is partitioned as MBR and is the primary partition and active.
A curious thing that I have found is that when activating TimerResolution "Maximum" the latency measured with LatencyMon worsened ostensibly, so I don't know which to believe, "dpclat.exe" or LatencyMon ?

Another curious thing is that the USB latency improves with the boot in G4D, with respect to Wim, it also strikes me that when testing LatencyMon on my host, the processes that caused the most latency were those related to the Nvidia drivers of my graphics card, fortunately I had the intuition not to install them on the XPE.

I also compared the latency in the host and in the flatboot, but since it is clear where it is worse, I do not attach files, because I do not want to fill the post with attachments.


latency_mon_wim.txt
latencymon_G4D.txt

Interesting results, samotc. Yes the discrepancies with LatencyMon vs. DPC Latency Checker were present back when I compared the two years ago, also, and led to me abandoning checking. With WinPE, so much is now more controllable that I may give it a try again and try and tune things as low as possible - they may well already be low, I haven’t looked, but will soon.

Also: that is encouraging re: Grub4DOS. I will give it a go when I try to load from the Femto card.

[seeteeyou]

In addition to Optane M10 with M.2 2280 form factor, later Optane models (e.g. 900P that could be found inside Taiko Audio SGM Extreme) have even better latency and I pretty much posted everything below (only a limited number of images could be posted on this forum even if they're wrapped inside "spoiler" tags) with tons of benchmarking test results
 
https://www.my-hiend...4786#post244786

 

Here are the most interesting ones, 900P seemed to be performing "quite a bit" better when compared to what 800P and M10 could achieve

 
https://www.anandtec...ing-refreshed/4
https://www.anandtec...ing-refreshed/5
 
P4800X totally and utterly DESTROYED everything else (with NAND flash memory) in terms of latency, and then even the form factor seemed to make a difference as multiple audiophiles in Taiwan mentioned in the very first link
 
https://audiophilest...comment-1088701

The P4800X sounds better than the 900P! And the PCIe version sounds better than the M.2 version (P4801X).
 
I can only imagine what an externally powered PCIe P4800X with an upgraded OCXO clock could do!

 
https://www.anandtec...sung-memblaze/6

 

 

 

However, 900P (as well as 905P) and P4800X are only available in 3 form factors

• M.2 22110
• PCIe x4
• U.2

Let's say we really do wanna power (without any modifications) Optane externally, most likely U.2 form factor should be an ideal choice while it's also the most affordable one.

 

By far the cheapest option should be this one while some reviewers already confirmed that's compatible with both 900P and 905P

 

https://www.amazon.c...d/dp/B01LZEYFD1

 

Similar ones from US cost much more and not sure if they're any better in terms of the SQ department, though we've gotta get the ones designed for U.2 but NOT for U.3 Gen-Z

 

https://www.microsat...o-u-3-gen-z-aic

https://www.eproduct...o-u-3-gen-z-aic

 

https://www.microsat...ssd-adapter-aic

https://www.eproduct...ssd-adapter-aic

 

https://www.microsat...r-sff-1102-nvme

 

This one costs a whopping 100 bucks and somehow it might be the only choice for M.2 slots

 

http://www.hwtools.n...dapter/M2F.html

 

Everything else will involve a cable of some sort rather than PCB traces, therefore it should be a good idea to avoid those options.

 

 

 

We should have plenty of Thunderbolt options for all three M.2 / PCIe / U.2 form factors but almost all of them would cost an arm and a leg to begin with.

 

OTOH, not sure if these USB-C options were bootable or not?

 

https://www.aliexpre...3466999645.html

https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B09DKLM82S

 

https://www.aliexpre...0034657616.html

https://www.delock.c...3/merkmale.html

http://www.linkreal....s/LRNVC362.html

 

https://www.icydock....oods.php?id=363

https://www.amazon.c...r/dp/B08S5L22WB

 

 

 

We're getting only 16 CPU-direct PCIe lanes from an i7-6700K while under most circumstances they're connected to the one and only PCIe x16 slot, therefore internethandle should be connecting 16GB Optane M10 to the only USB-C port of his motherboard via H170 chipset

 

https://ark.intel.co...o-4-20-ghz.html

 

Of course the latency might not be ideal but having the chipset modified with TCXO should be fine, though going through JCAT USB Card FEMTO would provide even better results since it should be connected to that one and only PCIe x16 slot with CPU-direct lanes.

 

That's why we'll have better luck with one of those Xeon Scalable (or 12th Gen Alder Lake with 8 + 8 + 4 = 20 CPU-direct PCIe lanes) motherboards, multiple PCIe slots are available with CPU-direct lanes and therefore even Optane could take advantage of those low-latency slots. Not to mention the fact that we might consider copying part of our music library to Optane since the size of 900P is starting at 280GB. Right now 280GB ones with U.2 form factor only cost around 850 RMB (roughly $135) a piece in China, as usual it's gonna cost more than that anywhere else.

[keith_correa]

Is it possible to load an iSO file residing on the HDD from Grub4Dos installed on a USB stick? If yes, how?

[samotc]

Is it possible to load an iSO file residing on the HDD from Grub4Dos installed on a USB stick? If yes, how?

 

I don't understand why you want to do that, either boot from USB with ISO on USB, or boot from HDD with ISO on HDD, I don't see the point of the proposal.

The advantage of booting from USB is lost if the ISO is on HDD, you will still need SATA.

 

Boot from USB:

 

1. Format USB pen MBR/BIOS mode and set as primary and active partition.

2. Install Grub4Dos on USB pen.

3. Copy the files "gldr", "gldr.mbr" and ".ISO" to the root of USB.

4. Open "notepad.exe" and paste the following text (without the quotes) and save as "menu.lst" in USB root:

 

"color blue/green yellow/red white/magenta white/magenta

timeout xx** 

default /default

 

title WINDOWS 11 XPE Audio ISO TO RAM

find --set-root --ignore-floppies /W11XPEAUDIO.iso

map --top --mem /W11XPEAUDIO.iso (0xff)

map --hook

chainloader (0xff)

 

title commandline

commandline

 

title quit

quit

 

title reboot

reboot

 

title halt

halt"

 

** start delay time in seconds

 

I advise the latest version of G4D, "grub4dos-0.4.6a-2021-08-13" you can download it from GitHub or from reboot.pro.

 

Active CSM legacy mode in BIOS/UEFI.

[seeteeyou]

"Normally" AF should stand for Advanced Format but I just couldn't stop laughing when I saw a little something about SATA AF several days ago

 

https://www.reddit.c.../not_just_sata/

 

I guess that latency of SATA hard drives should be able to demonstrate what Intel Optane is all about, though that also reminded me the painful AF experience of migrating whole bunch of pretty darn old Windows 7 PCs to Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC.

 

They're even providing USB 3.0 docking stations for data backup (what a "genius" move and one of them actually died in the middle of something) while some of their relatively "vintage" machines only had USB 2.0 ports to begin with, it's just "so much fun" to wait for the backup to finish thanks to the joy of going through SATA→USB→SATA.

 

 

 

FYI - grubinst_gui languages.7z and grubinst Windows binaries.7z could be downloaded here

 

http://reboot.pro/in...=13#entry191845

https://github.com/c...ME_grubinst.txt

grubinst_gui.exe is a GUI frontend to grubinst.exe. It provides a friendly interface to users who are not familiar whith the command line environment.

 

 

 

Most likely that should be all we need to get started, though some of us might also be interested in learning more about stuff like RMPrepUSB and Easy2Boot etc.

 

https://www.fosshub.com/RMPrepUSB.html

https://www.fosshub.com/Easy2Boot.html

 

021 – Guide to Grub4Dos

https://rmprepusb.co...de-to-grub4dos/

 

RMPrepUSB and Grub4Dos

https://www.youtube....zBdeYLHnQfzl59_

 

RMPrepUSB - Sample grub4dos menus

https://sites.google...ampleg4dosmenus

 

YouTube Videos

https://www.easy2boo...youtube-videos/

 

Easy2Boot - A new multboot USB solution (UEFI+MBR)

https://www.youtube....ZM5GiFiVpzazTMS

 

Sample .mnu Files

https://www.easy2boo...mple-mnu-files/

 

Tested Payload Files

https://easy2boot.xyz/tested-payloads/

Win10XPE ISOs – try .isoPELD1 file extension for E2B legacy only or agFM or Ventoy or convert to FAT32 .imgPTN23 file. 10XPE iso needs to be built with code that will load the iso file.

 

utils for grub4dos

https://github.com/c...butils/releases

https://code.google....utils/downloads

[seeteeyou]

FYI - the latest releases of WinXShell_RC4.6.3.7z and WimBuilder2-Full.v2022-02-02.7z are available

 

https://theoven.org/...f=19&p=781#p781

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....399&pid=4478795

 

 

 

RAM drive (B:)

https://old.theoven....g36735#msg36735

 

Primo & Arsenal RamDisk

https://usbtor.ru/vi...p?p=72084#72084

 

 

 

I've been reading quite a bit about something called NVRAM with nice latency

 

https://www.storager...am-drive-review

 

Here's another one with DDR-3

 

https://www.radianme...am-accelerator/

https://forums.serve...0-99-obo.33817/

https://forums.serve...e-2#post-247495

Low latency example:

Bandwidth: 23.0MB/s

IOPs: 46039

Latency: 15.93us

 

High throughput example:

Bandwidth: 5118.2MiB/s

IOPs: 327563

Latency: 773.84us

 

They could still be found on eBay but booting off a standard block device might not be all that feasible?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255344758649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275129352123

 

Yet another unobtainium via U.2 interface

 

https://www.anandtec...nvram-u2-drives

https://forums.serve...y-viking.25516/

 

 

 

Here's what we're getting from the best Optane model out there

 

https://ark.intel.co...-3d-xpoint.html

https://www.storager...d-p5800x-review

The Intel Optane SSD P5800X is the most impressive storage class memory SSD we have yet to see in our testing. Not only did it hit the top of all of our tests it had latency as low as 28µs.

 

They're talking about a deal as follows and it's already gone

 

https://forums.serve...00gb-625.34520/

 

 

 

We could also find something else called Optane DCPMM but a new motherboard and Xeon Silver 4215 etc. are required

 

https://www.supermic...P_UP.pdf#page=9

 

This one costs 400 bucks or so and latency could be further reduced with SNC

 

https://www.wiredzon...21-chipset-3164

https://www.acmemicr...ingle-Socket-P-

https://www.supermic...939.pdf#page=83

Sub NUMA Clustering (SNC) is a feature that breaks up the Last Level Cache (LLC) into clusters based on address range. Each cluster is connected to a subset of the memory controller. Enabling SNC improves average latency and reduces memory access congestion to achieve higher performance. Select Auto for 1-cluster or 2-clusters depending on IMC interleave. Select Enable for Full SNC (2-clusters and 1-way IMC interleave). The options are Disable, Enable, and Auto.

[seeteeyou]

Someone else started a new thread about the SQ of Windows Server 2012 (i.e. based on the very first release of Windows 8 build 9200) and that might be fairly similar to what we learned from a certain banned user / removed threads (Jamie Oliver's favorite color is Dark Olive) last year.

 

Since we could easily add multiple ISO images to the menu.lst file of Grub4Dos, it's more convenient to try different WinPE versions now.

 

Windows Server 2012 ISO

 

Windows 8 ISO

 

Win10XPE wouldn't be all that useful in this case, therefore we'll have to try either LSP or LSP-MergePE instead

 

http://www.kare-net.de/Index-e.html

https://theoven.org/viewforum.php?f=22

http://old.theoven.o...html?board=23.0

 

 

 

https://www.youtube....-zESR9Kw/videos

 

LiveSystem pro PE Builder User Manual (v.13)

 

LSP-MergePE

 

Of course we'll have to borrow usbaudio2.sys (plus *.inf and *.cat files etc.) from Windows 11 or else WASAPI wouldn't work at all.

 

What if we weren't able to get that installed? C-Media also wrote these UAC2 drivers for their own Class Compliant Devices and let's see if they're any good for third party hardware

 

https://www.catalog....USB Audio Class

[seeteeyou]

Let's wait and see if were anyone who might wanna try Intel Optane in RAID-0
 
https://audiophilest...comment-1182780
https://forums.tomsh.../#post-20853613

Now the question, what about speed & latency? Did it improve? The answer is a whole hearted yes. Both latency & speed though not everything improved. High que depth tests did not improve but neither did they lose much either. Latency & que depth one transfers improved dramatically as did sequential writes, things that are important to client computer usage. The thing that took a very slight hit was higher que depth transfers which are for the most part only applicable to servers & other proffessional uses, not client work loads.

 
 

 

https://www.xingcore.com/?page_id=12

https://www.aliexpre...1172699962.html

https://www.ebay.com...S-/274101835307
 
Not sure about if these guys were any better than Unison USB, though the software part seemed to be pretty interesting to me

 

https://www.diyaudio...6/#post-6366228

Best sound quality I have found is either I2SoverUSB or the latest Chinese USB board with Accusilicon clocks.

 
https://www.diyaudio...6/#post-6373052

You see, I am not theorizing. I bought several (well, more than several) USB boards to evaluate. Same for dac boards. Reverse engineer most of them, sketching out circuits from following traces and ringing out connections with a meter. Many listening tests performed too. After enough time and effort invested, one gets to know a lot about how dacs, USB boards, etc. are designed just by looking at at pictures of them.

 

https://www.head-fi....5#post-15997150

I'm now using this new board with the most expensive clocks option. Denafrips actually licenses the XING hardware. It's easily one of the best DDC I've had.

 

 

 

https://www.xingcore.com/?page_id=10

https://www.aliexpre...1973297113.html

https://www.aliexpre...3220897445.html

You can also write VID and PID and device strings arbitrarily to adapt to any standard USB2.0 audio driver.

 

So either XingCore U30 or AF200 would allow us to fool around with some Configuration Tools as shown above and its USB Descriptor tab should look just like this

 

 

 

I found stuff like libusb / libusb-win32 / libusbK as follows

 

https://zadig.akeo.ie

https://github.com/p...1/zadig-2.7.exe

 

We don't have anything as good as Taiko custom ASIO driver for their own Taiko Audio Extreme USB card, therefore we'll give libusbK a try instead

 

https://github.com/mcuee/libusbk

https://sourceforge..../libusbk/files/

https://sourceforge....sb-win32/files/

 

And then there's an audiophile in Taiwan who actually wrote this software called PlayWave while he's also sharing periodically updated drivers for Singxer F-1 USB DDC

 

http://www.myav.com....readid=20459807

 

That means either XingCore U30 or AF200 could "transform" into Singxer F-1 by changing VID to 20B1 and PID to 3086 respectively, though it's specifically designed to work with his own PlayWave software while nothing else would be compatible with his libusbK drivers at all

[Strings]
DeviceName = "USB Audio 2.0(F1)"
VendorName = "XMOS Ltd"
SourceName = "USB Audio 2.0(F1) Install Disk"
DeviceID   = "VID_20B1&PID_3086"
DeviceGUID = "{D21326A9-B9EF-E768-BB78-04C735FBEDF8}"

 

 

Add Device Drivers on an Online Windows PE Image

https://systemscente...8cd9c8542c2.htm

 

Installing in an Online Windows PE Image

https://docs.sentine..._an_Online_.htm

 

Drvload Command-Line Options

https://docs.microso...nd-line-options

 

Basically we could have quite a bit of fun with three different choices. First one is ASIO drivers from XingCore, second one is WASAPI drivers from Microsoft / Thesycon, and finally libusbK drivers that's meant to work with nothing but PlayWave.

[samotc]

Well, after fine-tuning Win11 PE Audio a little more, it has 11 processes and 67 active services, as well as a size of 364.2 MB without apps or drivers installed.

list of active services:

 

ACPI

acpiex**

ADP80 xx

AFD**

atapi

BasicDisplay

BasicRender

bttflt ++

cdrom ++

CNG

condrv

disk

DXGkrnl**

EhStorClass

EhStorDrv

elxfcoe

FBWF

Fileinfo

FltMgr

FsDepends

fvevol

HidUsb

iFiHDUSBAudio

isapnp

kbdclass

kbdhid

KSecDD

mouclass

mouhid

mountmgr

msfs

msisadrv

mssmbios

NDIS

npfs

npsvctrig

Ntfs

partmgr

pci

pciide

pdc

percsas3i

pmem

Ramdisk

Rasacd**

ReFS

ReFSv1

RpcEptMapper

RpcSs

scmbus

sdbus

sdstor

SerCx

SerCx2

storahci

UASPStor

Ucx01000

umbus

usbccgp

usbehci

usbhub

USBHUB3

USBSTOR

USBXHCI

vdrvroot

vhdmp

volmgr

volmgrx

volsnap

volume

vsmraid

Wdf01000**

WinFsf

Wof

 

** Closed post-boot

++ rename .sys>>>.syd

 

67 active services.

 

I've been running listener tests for several days now, with /without RewriteData, MajorityClean LemonadeElitest, and the results are a bit puzzling:

RwData clearly improves the sound, but not MajorityClean or LemonadeElitest, what's more, I would say that in my system the sound is blurrier, clearly worse.

F2K is closer to InfinityBlade in quality of SQ, although it does not quite arrive.

I would like to hear other people's results with Win11PEAudio.

Regarding latency, dpclat.exe seems unreliable to me, since the changes in the decrease of processes, system load on disk or in RAM do not affect its values at all.

On the other hand, LatencyMon reflects the changes in the latency values as we reduce the number of processes and services and if the system load is in RAM or on disk (flatboot), which seems more realistic to me.

It also reflects latency changes by changing the priority of threads and processes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[internethandle]

Hi samotc,

 

Give me some time this week and I'll try and write up some of my recent findings. I can say that I've gotten things down to 39 active services per Process Hacker, with 13 processes (AudioSrv + AudioEndpointBuilder running vs. your setup).

 

Things are remarkably stable though with DcomLaunch closed -- have had OperaGX open and playing YouTube Music/YouTube/other streaming for over a week now with no issues. Previously, regular Windows 10 would eventually cause some issue with AudioSrv if I terminated DcomLaunch, but not with Win11PE!

 

I do think that my overall post-boot size is larger than yours, but I am unsure and will need to reboot and check this week. Some of that would have to do, inevitably, with some of the services I have active being related to network vs. your needs (AFD, for instance). I also think that some of the differences in our services list may have to do with my recently going through flatboot and deleting what I could for un-used services in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services, windows\system32\drivers, system32\filerepository, windows\INF, etc. -- took the ISO down about 100 MB, and seemed to change the behavior a tiny bit for what I was able to disable post-boot (I think? too many changes in the last few months to remember exactly! lol). It was a bit slow going (took a whole week to test!) but should be easy enough for me to make screenshots of the results and post them this week.

 

On the booting via Grub4DOS and my JCAT Femto USB card into Ramdisk front, I have an extra cheap Chinese LPS lying around (STUDER 900), so all I need to do now is buy a iFi iDefender and use an adapter for the LPS to attach to the USB-C power injector on it. I'll probably also buy one of these LT3045 LDOVR boards to step down to and clean up the 5V further before injecting into the iDefender:

 

https://www.ldovr.co...t3045-1a5io.htm

 

Thanks for mentioning your LatencyMon experiences -- encourages me to do give it a go to be more empirical/scientific about tweaking things to lower latency instead of just listening by ear.

 

I agree, btw, that LemondateElitest and MajiorityClean, strangely, seem to have an either neutral or sometimes negative SQ effect on Win11PE, which is different than any other Windows I've tried. Rewrite Data is still good though, I agree.

[samotc]

Hi Internethandle, I wanted to ask you if you have noticed SQ improvement between G4D and BCD boot?

Thanks.

[internethandle]

Hi samotc,

Have not tried yet. I was going to wait until I get the iDefender to try booting from the JCAT Femto USB card, but it would be a good idea for me to get the hang of Grub4DOS beforehand, so maybe I will try and let you know.

[Kuni]

My experience with ram windows is that sound is more analog, yet more flushed away. 

As a result is it worth breaking my win2016 server core mode and do all boot windows? 

By the way I was not able to do ram windows in core mode, only in gui mode.

Which tool is the best to kill processes and test result ? Thanks

[seeteeyou]

Have not tried yet.

 

One more thing to find out if that were system-dependent or otherwise.

 

Since you mentioned that killing lsass.exe would result in a very high level of detail and transparency back then, are both poorly recorded tracks and good recordings still "put under the magnifying glass / microscope" after switching to Grub4DOS / JCAT NET Card FEMTO / external power fed to iDefender+ or not?

 

 

 

Recently the file Projects\Win10XPE\Features\WoW64_AddFiles.txt was updated as shown below

 

https://www.tenforum...tml#post2264054

https://mega.nz/file...9ISmG54NU-Xrel0

 

Then I also read that manually copying *.dll files to \Windows\SysWOW64 would also work fine afterwards if an error message about missing file(s) were displayed

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....399&pid=4482086

 

While both Win10XPE and WimBuilder2 should be aiming for much broader compatibilities, at least some of us don't really need to run THAT many 32-bit applications since foobar2000 might be the only one that's required for playing music these days.

 

I ran Dependencies and found what *.dll files are actually required, maybe we could reduce the size of \Windows\SysWOW64 after editing the file Projects\Win10XPE\Features\WoW64_AddFiles.txt then?

 

https://github.com/l...encies/releases

 

FYI - here's the list of files for the executable foobar2000.exe while specific components might require additional files

 

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Windows\SysWOW64\comctl32.dll
Windows\SysWOW64\en-US\comctl32.dll.mui
Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.c..-controls.resources_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.22000.1_en-us_b335b4dbed333454\comctl32.dll.mui
Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.22000.120_none_e541a94fcce8ed6d\comctl32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Manifests\x86_microsoft-windows-comctl32-v5.resources_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_en-us_5ceec5ede24ea760.manifest
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\x86_microsoft.windows.c..-controls.resources_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.22000.1_en-us_b335b4dbed333454_comctl32.dll.mui_0da4e682
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.22000.120_none_e541a94fcce8ed6d_comctl32.dll_9c499789

Windows\SysWOW64\winmm.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-a..o-mmecore-winmmbase_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_7ce47394988e0dee\winmm.dll

Windows\SysWOW64\shlwapi.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-shlwapi_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_5a71f9fcddd8c0b5\shlwapi.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-shlwapi_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_5a71f9fcddd8c0b5_shlwapi.dll_1eec0a2e

Windows\SysWOW64\uxtheme.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-uxtheme_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_ab9e7604c01ddcd5\uxtheme.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-uxtheme_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_ab9e7604c01ddcd5\f\uxtheme.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-uxtheme_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_ab9e7604c01ddcd5\r\uxtheme.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-uxtheme_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_ab9e7604c01ddcd5_uxtheme.dll_9f6cda06

Windows\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-kernel32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_9977c0720fd9ca71\kernel32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-kernel32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_9977c0720fd9ca71\f\kernel32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-kernel32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_9977c0720fd9ca71\r\kernel32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-kernel32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_9977c0720fd9ca71_kernel32.dll_ef9eca7e

Windows\SysWOW64\user32.dll
Windows\SysWOW64\en-US\user32.dll.mui
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.37_none_b98bb72bbdbf886c\user32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32.resources_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_en-us_9e963fc264470f78\user32.dll.mui
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.37_none_b98bb72bbdbf886c\f\user32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.37_none_b98bb72bbdbf886c\r\user32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32.resources_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_en-us_9e963fc264470f78_user32.dll.mui_14652dbb
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-user32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.37_none_b98bb72bbdbf886c_user32.dll_55f4ed20

Windows\SysWOW64\gdi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-gdi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_ba16f1f4827b60d6\gdi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-gdi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_ba16f1f4827b60d6_gdi32.dll_1f014d57

Windows\SysWOW64\advapi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-advapi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.41_none_cfdc7e02d6b4176b\advapi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-advapi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.41_none_cfdc7e02d6b4176b\f\advapi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-advapi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.41_none_cfdc7e02d6b4176b\r\advapi32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-advapi32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.41_none_cfdc7e02d6b4176b_advapi32.dll_9512793c

Windows\SystemResources\shell32.dll.mun
Windows\SysWOW64\shell32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-shell32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_71e3060ecb8a2f82\shell32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-shell32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_71e3060ecb8a2f82\f\shell32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-shell32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_71e3060ecb8a2f82\r\shell32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-shell32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_71e3060ecb8a2f82_shell32.dll_0d29dca92021-09-13

Windows\SysWOW64\ole32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-com-base-qfe-ole32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_b1d7828cabdfa247\ole32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-com-base-qfe-ole32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_b1d7828cabdfa247\f\ole32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-com-base-qfe-ole32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_b1d7828cabdfa247\r\ole32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-com-base-qfe-ole32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.120_none_b1d7828cabdfa247_ole32.dll_e9dcc2e3

Windows\SysWOW64\oleaut32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-ole-automation_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_1d98728634a40893\oleaut32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-ole-automation_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_1d98728634a40893_oleaut32.dll_730e3d412021-09-13

Windows\SysWOW64\msimg32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-gdi-painting_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_d80420135535e72c\msimg32.dll

Windows\SysWOW64\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft.windows.gdiplus.systemcopy_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_d36ec88f463fda2e\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.gdiplus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.22000.71_none_fde41b476687038f\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.gdiplus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.1.22000.71_none_ed358a2bff8cdd36\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft.windows.gdiplus.systemcopy_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_d36ec88f463fda2e\f\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft.windows.gdiplus.systemcopy_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_d36ec88f463fda2e\r\GdiPlus.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft.windows.gdiplus.systemcopy_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_d36ec88f463fda2e_gdiplus.dll_423f7010
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\x86_microsoft.windows.gdiplus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.22000.71_none_fde41b476687038f_gdiplus.dll_423f7010
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\x86_microsoft.windows.gdiplus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.1.22000.71_none_ed358a2bff8cdd36_gdiplus.dll_423f7010

Windows\SystemResources\crypt32.dll.mun
Windows\SysWOW64\crypt32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a\crypt32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a\f\crypt32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a\r\crypt32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Manifests\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a.manifest
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a_crypt32.dll_9c3ccf73
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-crypt32-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.71_none_4803f3e62e061d0a.manifest

Windows\SysWOW64\oleacc.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-oleacc_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_cb1d05c65b8d90ee\oleacc.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-oleacc_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_cb1d05c65b8d90ee_oleacc.dll_2f3fa5bf

Windows\SysWOW64\winhttp.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft.windows.winhttp_31bf3856ad364e35_5.1.22000.1_none_a865b01c80813f16\winhttp.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft.windows.winhttp_31bf3856ad364e35_5.1.22000.1_none_a865b01c80813f16_winhttp.dll_6cd72d6e

Windows\SysWOW64\secur32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-lsa-secur32_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_49b7e563a551ae49\secur32.dll

Windows\SysWOW64\ws2_32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\wow64_microsoft-windows-w..nfrastructure-ws232_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_534ff8bb077fdb2f\ws2_32.dll
Windows\WinSxS\Backup\wow64_microsoft-windows-w..nfrastructure-ws232_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.22000.1_none_534ff8bb077fdb2f_ws2_32.dll_89b90cb6

[samotc]

Hi seeteeyou, thanks for this valuable information, this saves me a lot of work to further lighten win11 PE.