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#1 Thuan

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 12:21 AM

Hi,

I've just trial subscribed to Tidal, enabled Tidal on BubbleUPnP tablet and Local & Cloud, selected a couple tracks, hit Play but got no sound. What am I missing?

Please advise.

P.S. Even Qobuz subscription doesn't play. Obviously, there's something missing or misconfigured with my BubbleUPnP or network setup.
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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:58 AM

Turned on Proxy and solved. Btw, the playback stop toward the end of the track I used to experience is now a thing of the past, even with Hibernate On. Super cool!
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Posted 06 August 2020 - 11:55 AM

Turned on Proxy and solved. Btw, the playback stop toward the end of the track I used to experience is now a thing of the past, even with Hibernate On. Super cool!

 

it's a surprise to me that with hibernate turned on you can listen tracks to the end. As far as I have seen everyone is facing it, but now who knows... 

 

I tried with Proxy on, battery saving on/off, use eventing on/off.. almost every setting in bubbleupnp, ant it didn't helped for me. Maybe there is another key setting ?



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 12:06 PM

Let me try more files today and report. Which file format you’re having trouble with?

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 12:23 PM

tidal hifi, FLAC 16/44khz.  On track click setting -> show metadata, you can see Stream #1 info.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 12:41 PM

I think that Thuan is using dual PC mode. The hibernate issue with Tidal is related to single PC mode exclusively in combination with Bubble UPnP. 


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 01:25 PM

Hm, last time Qobuz (not Tidal yet) disappointed me at the song end, I'd been using dualPC for a while (and until today). Of course, I always tinker with the setup without any intention to improve streaming, only to sweeten the SQ. If it's not for yesterday I decided to try Tidal (and Qobuz again), I wouldn't know I've hit a button that helps the streaming audio.

Here's what I'm trying this early morning without a hitch. Jplay Femto settings are at max as usual: KS, UltraStream, 1000Hz, Hibernate On. Test playlist consists of Norah Jones' I Don't Know Why (Qobuz 192/24), a few Tidal's featured tracks (44/16), then back to Qobuz (Miles Davis' So What in 96/24). The playlist, switching back between Tidal's and Qobuz's different file formats, plays as smooth as I've ever dreamed of.

Meanwhile, the SQ of Tidal and Qbus while not being the same as local files is quite pleasant and sweet now, to the extent that I don't feel shortchanged at all. Nitpicking, the highs are no longer harsh but can be reticent sometimes, bass might not be as impactful, midrange could be a bit more detailed and palpable. Given those hair splitting differences and almost endless music available, I'll can easily live with either service. I'll need to go back, review and analyze what has been done to the setup, and hopefully find out which did what.

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 01:51 PM

Thanks, it is more clear now,  happy for DualPC users, clear benefit :)

 

But what would be a breakthrough if it worked on SinglePC aswell.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 02:39 PM

Hm, last time Qobuz (not Tidal yet) disappointed me at the song end, I'd been using dualPC for a while (and until today). Of course, I always tinker with the setup without any intention to improve streaming, only to sweeten the SQ. If it's not for yesterday I decided to try Tidal (and Qobuz again), I wouldn't know I've hit a button that helps the streaming audio.

Here's what I'm trying this early morning without a hiss. Jplay Femto settings are at max as usual: KS, UltraStream, 1000Hz, Hibernate On. Test playlist consists of Norah Jones' I Don't Know Why (Qobuz 192/24), a few Tidal's featured tracks (44/16), then back to Qobuz (Miles Davis' So What in 96/24). The playlist, switching back between Tidal's and Qobuz's different file formats, plays as smooth as I've ever dreamed of.

Meanwhile, the SQ of Tidal and Qbus while not being the same as local files is quite pleasant and sweet now, to the extent that I don't feel shortchanged at all. Nitpicking, the highs are no longer harsh but can be reticent sometimes, bass might not be as impactful, midrange could be a bit more detailed and palpable. Given those hair splitting differences and almost endless music available, I'll can easily live with either service. I'll need to go back, review and analyze what has been done to the setup, and hopefully find out which did what.

 

In my system TIDAL outperforms local files now. Not by a small margin. Sth that not that far ago I thought would not happen. 


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 02:40 PM

In my system TIDAL outperforms local files now. Not by a small margin. Sth that not that far ago I thought would not happen. 

Thanks to this guy over here:

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:32 PM

JCAT XE?

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:36 PM

JCAT XE?

Yep, as you can see in the picture :)

 

JCAT NET XE


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Posted 09 August 2020 - 05:10 PM

Yep, as you can see in the picture :)

 

JCAT NET XE

 

Great !!! Probably a dedicated thread in the coming days ?



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Posted 10 August 2020 - 07:59 AM

Great !!! Probably a dedicated thread in the coming days ?

There will be a dedicated thread once we're closer to the official launch :) 


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Posted 10 August 2020 - 09:52 AM

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Posted 26 August 2020 - 12:21 AM

In my system TIDAL outperforms local files now. Not by a small margin. Sth that not that far ago I thought would not happen. 

When avaiable, could I achieve this on a Single Audio PC or do I need a Dual-PC setup?

I alway kept on with ripping local files from CDs or improving downloaded Files with Rewrite-Data to be stored locally

to be close to the ripped ones (not all content is avaiable in best quality on CDs...). But that takes some time...

The only experience i had with streaming services is the amazon music hd with their app. SQ with that app through

Asio Bridge with JPLAY 7.0 (Normal Service, not Femto) was way worse than local files, so i gave that one up after one day trying.

What other Hardware would i need to achieve it with Tidal (to be equal or better than local files)?

Would i need a High-End Router to achieve this (have a cable-modem --no router--direct connection to audio-pc with Supra Cat-7)?

 

regards

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Posted 26 August 2020 - 01:42 PM

When avaiable, could I achieve this on a Single Audio PC or do I need a Dual-PC setup?

I alway kept on with ripping local files from CDs or improving downloaded Files with Rewrite-Data to be stored locally

to be close to the ripped ones (not all content is avaiable in best quality on CDs...). But that takes some time...

The only experience i had with streaming services is the amazon music hd with their app. SQ with that app through

Asio Bridge with JPLAY 7.0 (Normal Service, not Femto) was way worse than local files, so i gave that one up after one day trying.

What other Hardware would i need to achieve it with Tidal (to be equal or better than local files)?

Would i need a High-End Router to achieve this (have a cable-modem --no router--direct connection to audio-pc with Supra Cat-7)?

 

regards

Bernd

Hi Bernd, 

 

It should be available at the end of September if there are no delays. I am using a single PC and it is not likely I will be goind dual-PC mode again - this has to do with the developments which i can't discuss publicly yet. 

 

ASIO Bridge is another software layer in the signal path, so it definitely does not help SQ. That said, using Bubble UPnP and JPLAY FEMTO, SQ from Tidal is better than files I ripped using highly modified ripper. That is using my Audio PC which at the moment looks like this: 

 

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Posted 26 August 2020 - 06:44 PM

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What is the reason for this? What is causing the improvement compared to local files?

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Posted 26 August 2020 - 06:45 PM

Bloody auto correct. I did type Marcin!

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Posted 26 August 2020 - 06:58 PM

Marvin

What is the reason for this? What is causing the improvement compared to local files?

See this post:             #10            


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