Beginner
Posted 18 March 2024 - 03:25 PM
Hi Phil,
Is it possible to have a feature to uninstall FoD (WS2022 core)? I think it may be usefull as FoD installed decreases SQ a little bit.
On the other hand I need FoD installed at least once to make some optimization via devmgmt tool as an example.
AudiophileOptimizer
Posted 18 March 2024 - 03:35 PM
Hi Phil,
Is it possible to have a feature to uninstall FoD (WS2022 core)? I think it may be usefull as FoD installed decreases SQ a little bit.
On the other hand I need FoD installed at least once to make some optimization via devmgmt tool as an example.
The next beta of AO 4.00 will bringt an FoD installer withing ServiceTool. It's neded for quite many things, so uninstalling it will not be my top priority. But shouldn't be too compliciated to have it included from the begining either way, so... 
Best,
AudioPhil
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Die Hard
Posted 18 March 2024 - 05:33 PM
Die Hard
Posted 21 March 2024 - 11:59 AM
Does Phil have an estimate of when 4.0 will be in final form?
Are we talking month or so or more like a half year?
AudiophileOptimizer
Posted 21 March 2024 - 04:28 PM
Does Phil have an estimate of when 4.0 will be in final form?
Are we talking month or so or more like a half year?
To answer your initial question, the best way would be a fresh install of Server 2022 and not an upgrade from 2019, thats always the best and cleanest way to do it. You can run AO 4.00 on Server 2019 if you like of course, but you can't run AO 3.00 on Server 2022. So you can ugrade to AO 4.00 already on server 2019 other of all supported OS'es, but you will need to uprade to AO 4.00 as soon Server 2022 or Windows 11 comes into play.
Since we are still in beta phase we are certainly not talking a month or so. I see sill many new features I want for AO 4.00, which first have to be coded and tested and so on. I haven't even started updaing the entire PDF guide which a lot of work as well. So quality always first..
Hope this helps to make it a bit more clear.
Best,
AudioPhil
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Die Hard
Posted 21 March 2024 - 04:35 PM
Thank you. Very clear.
As much as I like sound quality improvements, for me- I will wait until everything is finalized. AO is a INCREDIBLE program- but we all know it has never been ultra stable. So- I certainly want to wait until it is as stable as possible- in final form before going ahead.
Would AO 4.0 beta on WIndows Server 2022 be an improvement over AO 4.0 beta on Windows server 2019- or not by much?
Die Hard
Posted 21 March 2024 - 04:38 PM
Also- for those who have tested WS2022 with AO4.0 Beta- is it reasonably stable?
Forget features- I'm concerned about stability.... Specifically in GUI mode. Core is not for me...
Die Hard
Posted 21 March 2024 - 11:00 PM
I'm surprised about the stability comments if the reference is to AO 3.0.
I have always found AO 3.0 be extremely stable and reliable in my setups using the GUI mode, especially with respect to everyday use of the systems, resetting the drivers and services when necessary, running AO again after such resets, modifying the shell, changing sound signatures and digital filters, or altering network items.
It would be helpful to learn under what conditions stability problems were encountered.
Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.44; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.6.6; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 26H2 (build 26300.9550), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.9.13.
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.
OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs are run headless.
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, MajiorityLainaD (MCLE NTAuth folder on Control-PC and Audio-PC) via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk using automated RAM Disk creation procedure and TrustedClean settings as in my RAM Disk Guide, (revised 26 June 2025), Process Lasso Server Edition 18.4.0.48, with additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script (for complete optimization procedure see my WS2019 Optimization Guide, revised 26 June 2025).
Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 12.79, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.
Equipment Configuration: Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel RC 1590 > Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables with Neutrik connectors > Rotel RB1590 > Kordz Master 2.4 MKII Premium Quad Helix Speaker Cables with Neotech banana and spade connectors > Dali Epicon 6 Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board.
Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub; Backups (x4): as per Main Library (connected to PC via Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables).
Die Hard
Posted 22 March 2024 - 12:40 AM
WS2022 Core, AO4b9 (4D), JPLAY Femto & iOS, LAIV µDAC/µDDC, LHY OCK-2P, Khozmo pre, Linkwitz LX521.4MG.
Die Hard
Posted 22 March 2024 - 08:02 AM
Well- twice I used "remove programs" to remove AO and my system was completely corrupted and needed install from scratch. Im using WS2019.
Other than that- indeed- it seems fine....
Die Hard
Posted 22 March 2024 - 09:55 AM
Ah, so rather than the program being unstable, you had a problem when you tried to uninstall AO 3.0.
According to the AO 3.0 manual, the AudiophileUnistaller should reverse all changes made by AO 3.0. Did you uninstall AO 3.0 via Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> AudiophileOptimizer 3.0 -> Uninstall?
If so, perhaps you should describe the problem you had to Audiophil in an email to support@highend-audiopc.com. I'm sure he would appreciate the input, and he might be able to offer some insight into why you had the difficulty.
Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.44; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.6.6; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 26H2 (build 26300.9550), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.9.13.
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.
OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs are run headless.
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, MajiorityLainaD (MCLE NTAuth folder on Control-PC and Audio-PC) via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk using automated RAM Disk creation procedure and TrustedClean settings as in my RAM Disk Guide, (revised 26 June 2025), Process Lasso Server Edition 18.4.0.48, with additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script (for complete optimization procedure see my WS2019 Optimization Guide, revised 26 June 2025).
Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 12.79, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.
Equipment Configuration: Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel RC 1590 > Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables with Neutrik connectors > Rotel RB1590 > Kordz Master 2.4 MKII Premium Quad Helix Speaker Cables with Neotech banana and spade connectors > Dali Epicon 6 Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board.
Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub; Backups (x4): as per Main Library (connected to PC via Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables).
Die Hard
Posted 22 March 2024 - 10:00 AM
Probably the most stable software I've ever seen. When you disable something with AO it stays disabled ;-)
But not AO, you need to roll it back not uninstall it.
Win2022 core, Audiophile Optimizer, JPlayFemto (2PC), Ramboot, BubbleUPnP, Matrix X-SPDIF3, PS Audio DirectStream DAC++, ATI1806 Amplifiers, Linkwitz LX521MG speakers with ASP4, JPS Labs Aluminata cables, PS Audio P10 Power Regenerator.
Die Hard
Posted 22 March 2024 - 11:09 AM
Sorry if I misunderstood but were you trying to completely remove AO 3.0 or just reset the changes made to the services and drivers?
If the latter, then as billgr indicated, you would not uninstall AO 3.0. Rather, you would use the AO Service Tool to reset the AO optimizations.
Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.44; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.6.6; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 26H2 (build 26300.9550), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.9.13.
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.
OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs are run headless.
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, MajiorityLainaD (MCLE NTAuth folder on Control-PC and Audio-PC) via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk using automated RAM Disk creation procedure and TrustedClean settings as in my RAM Disk Guide, (revised 26 June 2025), Process Lasso Server Edition 18.4.0.48, with additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script (for complete optimization procedure see my WS2019 Optimization Guide, revised 26 June 2025).
Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 12.79, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.
Equipment Configuration: Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel RC 1590 > Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables with Neutrik connectors > Rotel RB1590 > Kordz Master 2.4 MKII Premium Quad Helix Speaker Cables with Neotech banana and spade connectors > Dali Epicon 6 Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board.
Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub; Backups (x4): as per Main Library (connected to PC via Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables).
AudiophileOptimizer
Posted 22 March 2024 - 02:09 PM
...thanks so much for all these comments guys! 
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Die Hard
Posted 23 March 2024 - 05:00 PM
I tried to completely uninstall AO3.0 twice and my system completely crashed requiring reinstall. Again- no other instability issues.
Incredible program.
Die Hard
Posted 23 March 2024 - 07:08 PM
I uninstalled using windows "remove programs"- so I guess this was my fault. Thank you for teaching me...
Die Hard
Posted 23 March 2024 - 08:03 PM
So, I would liketo confirm that for those who used WS2019 and AO3.0 and switched to the current Beta AO4.0 with WS2022 that they hear a sonic upgrade.
Is this correct?
I may give it a try...
Die Hard
Posted 24 March 2024 - 06:13 AM
By the way, which filter setting in AO3.0 provides the warmest sound?
Die Hard
Posted 24 March 2024 - 09:49 AM
4D is fantastic. Agree it is a bit warmer.....
How about a filter settign which is tonally thicker, more solidity, but necessairly warm?
4A seems to be in this direction; colder tha 4D but thicker, more tonal density----- but I wanted others opinions.
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