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#1 Windows X

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 06:45 AM

I normally don't post like this but after listening to music in Windows 11 through updates for a long while, it doesn't seem Windows 11 will ever get quality that good Windows 10 releases can offer any time soon.


Please go back to Windows 10 v1903 release if you want to appreciate music seriously. It doesn't matter if it's Home / Pro / LTSC but that should be the best version which support modern apps you need.


Personally I prefer Windows 10 v1903 over Windows Server releases except Windows Server 2022. Maybe if we can port Windows Server 2022 performance to Windows 10, we can get better sound without spending a lot on Server license.

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 11:08 PM

Interesting that you feel that way. Those of us in the Win PE thread all seem to agree that Win 11 PE sounds better than Win 10 PE. In my case, there was a clear improvement in timing, clarity/air, and staging with WIn 11 PE. Win 10 PE, by comparison, sounding murky and diffuse/less clear. As samotc, the person who started the Win PE project has said, though, the difference between Win 10 PE and Win 11 PE was, in the grand scheme of things, subtle. 


This kind of thing is difficult to make a broad recommendation for that will fit all use cases and systems, but it very well may be that, for those wanting a "full" version of Windows with support for apps etc., Win 10 usually sounds better, as you say. It could also be system dependent. Before migrating to Win 10 PE and then Win 11 PE, I was using a customized deployment of Win 10 (I am forgetting which version) that was heavily modified by WinReducer and then NTLite before making more modifications post-install, which I quite enjoyed the SQ of at the time until Win PE.

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Posted 18 September 2022 - 06:52 AM

Here's yet another version of Windows for further comparisons







Windows Factory OS (or FactoryOS) is a version of Microsoft Windows based on Windows Core OS.



Windows Core OS strips Windows down to the bare minimum. It doesn't include any legacy components or features, and sticks to UWP as a core for the operating system as it's lighter and already universal.




64-bit UWP apps from Audirvāna






Neutron Music Player






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Posted 23 September 2022 - 11:12 PM

I normally don't post like this but after listening to music in Windows 11 through updates for a long while, it doesn't seem Windows 11 will ever get quality that good Windows 10 releases can offer any time soon.


Please go back to Windows 10 v1903 release...


Personally I prefer Windows 10 v1903 over ...

Hi, i am an "Audiophile On A Budget" from Germany.
I still use my WIndows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB with JPLAY and HQP. Fidelizer 8.9 Free.
Since you are here from time to time and have some opinion about the different Sound of
 the Windows Versions, allow me to ask my question here:

Are you able to tweak that Windows 10 v1903 to just running 30 Processes or less and about 10k Handles or less.
(For Offline Playback with no LAN connected) before starting Fidelizer 8.9?

I do not care how big the system c will be on my OS SSD. It is 256 GB big and i prefer to use it.

If your answer is yes, is there any way you could teach me how to do that?

@all: if that is easy to achieve without professional help, please show me a way.


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Posted 24 September 2022 - 05:02 AM

Hi BernieFFM,


There's a fair bit to get through, but you might find this very useful:


Windows 10 optimization script - A community effort? - Software - Audiophile Style





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Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP, or Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 10 Professional Ver 21H2 (build 19044.1826)), Intel Core i7-11390H, 3.4 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10

Single PC: Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop, Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb DDR3L 1600 MHz RAM

Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which mouse disconnected from Single PC. Control and Audio-PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ExerciseStabilizer 26 one instance on RAM Disk in Control-PC (CPUs 0-7), LemonadeElitest 56 one instance on RAM Disk in Audio-PC (CPUs 0,2,4,6), LemonadeElitest 50 plus MajiorityClean 288 one instance each on RAM Disk in Single PC (CPUs 0-7), Process Lasso Server Edition, TrustedClean 1.44 (on RAM Disk), Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 29/September/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

RAM Disk: For automated RAM Disk creation procedure using ImDisk see Guide for Creating a RAM Disk that Uses TrustedClean (TC) to Run MajiorityClean (MC) and LemonadeElitest (LE) or ExerciseStabilizer (ES) (revised 10/August/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

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Single PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet > WiFi > Single PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 1m Chord Silver Plus USB Cable > Denon PMA 2500NE > Kordz Spectrum 2.4 Mk II Premium Quad Helix Speaker Cables > Paradigm Signature 6 v3 Speakers

Dual PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)

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Posted 26 September 2022 - 08:43 PM

is there no one that can give us a copy of the windows version from the Taiko servers?

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Posted 26 September 2022 - 09:33 PM

Is there any version at all, no matter how small you make it, optimized, that can go without updates?
I think not. I listen for sure 6-8 years Win2012R2, and have NEVER had to install an update, which I did not want.
You do not need a particularly fast PC to listen to music. A server mainboard from Supermicro, X9SCA, or better...., a Xeon CPU (3100), AO 3.0, Fidelizer (for free, PURIST), because AO is not enough, never turn on the USB optimization on at AO at U, but listening to AO without U is useless, MC288/LE50 on audio, MC288/LE52 on the Control.
That sounds best to me. that's where things happen. The music has a stage, does not stop above and beside the speakers. That is the most important thing, the spatial imaging and staggering of the instruments.
Have a nice evening
Gibt es denn überhaupt noch eine Version, egal wie klein ihr die macht, optimiert, die ohne Updates auskommt?
Ich Glaube nicht. Ich höre seit bestimmt 6-8 Jahren Win2012R2, und musste noch NIE, ein Update einspielen, was ich nicht wollte.
Man braucht zum Musik hören, auch keinen besonders schnellen PC. Ein Servermainboard von Supermicro, X9SCA, oder besser...., eine Xeon CPU (3100), AO 3.0, Fidelizer (umsonst, PURIST), weil AO nicht reicht, niemals die USB Optimierung einschalten von AO bei U, aber AO ohne U zu hören ist nutzlos, MC288/LE50 auf Audio, MC288/LE52 auf dem Control.
Das klingt für mich am besten. da passiert was. Die Musik hat eine Bühne, hört nicht über und neben den Lautsprechern auf. Das ist das wichtigste, die räumliche Abbildung und Staffelung der Instrumente.
Schönen Abend noch

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