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#41 Todd H

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Posted 17 June 2022 - 08:16 PM

Thanks Bernie, good to know.

 

I was able to visit the dealer this morning and here's what we found. His DAC V-1 and his Apple computer can play any resolution file. My DAC V-1 and his Apple computer can play any resolution file. Neither of our V-1's can play 24/192 or above without static using my computer (Dell Latitude 7280 Intel Core i7-7600 2.80GHz, 16GB RAM). As mentioned above, I've tried 4 different PC's and all have the same problem.

 

Windows 7 only has 49 processes running. This makes me wonder if trying Windows Server 2019 is worth a shot because, as I understand it, the main benefit is fewer running processes. Is their any other reason to think that WS might work better, other then it's just different?

 

REALLY don't want to go Apple. Not that I don't like Apple, I'm just not familiar and my brief experience was frustrating.



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Posted 17 June 2022 - 09:05 PM

Hi Todd,

 

I see that your processor is dual core. Although that should be OK, perhaps if your PC is not optimized and is running the full slate of Windows 10 processes, and your music is stored on your single internal SSD, the combination might be the problem for JPLAY FEMTO. As a start to looking into that, could you try playing some music files stored on an external HDD?

 

Many Forum members are using Windows Server 2019 (myself included) and have reported better sound than with standard Windows 10 (especially when optimization software and manual adjustments have been used to reduce running processes - currently I have 26 Windows 2019 processes and services running on the laptop I use in a single PC setup). I suggest you consult the Audiophile Optimizer setup guide (audiophile-optimizer-setup-guide.pdf (highend-audiopc.com) for a link to download the evaluation iso of Windows Server 2019 and also on page 4 links to tips on best practices for computer audio and setting up Windows 10.

 

You might also want to take a look at the guide I prepared for optimizing Windows Server 2019 for use with JPLAY FEMTO. The link is in my signature.

 

Hope some of this helps.

 

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Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.6.8.1, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, LemonadeElitest 50, MajiorityClean 288, Process Lasso Server Edition 10.4.8.8, TrustedClean 1.4, Windows processes/services stopped via a modified CAD DSK script, registry editor and task manager. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27/June/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 10.8.8.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RB-1590) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


#43 Todd H

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 10:06 AM

I did follow the Windows 10 optimization directions on AO's website when I did the initial setup but I have not tried playing from a remote hard drive. I'll give that a go and see what happens, but I'm pretty much sold on installing WS 2019. Your write up is an incredible body of work. Really clear and well written. Can't imagine how many hours it took to put that together. Thank you for the link!



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Posted 18 June 2022 - 10:45 AM

Welcome, give me a shout if you have any queries about optimizing WS2019.


Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.6.8.1, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, LemonadeElitest 50, MajiorityClean 288, Process Lasso Server Edition 10.4.8.8, TrustedClean 1.4, Windows processes/services stopped via a modified CAD DSK script, registry editor and task manager. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27/June/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 10.8.8.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RB-1590) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 21 June 2022 - 10:38 PM

OK, here we go, I'll try to keep the NUB questions to a minimum but since I'm a NUB...: I have WS 2019 ISO installed but hit a roadblock with mouse touchpad not working. Assume I need to manually download driver but can't navigate without mouse, and no provision for a traditional mouse connection. Will a USB mouse work or is their a better solution?



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Posted 22 June 2022 - 03:12 AM

OK, here we go, I'll try to keep the NUB questions to a minimum but since I'm a NUB...: I have WS 2019 ISO installed but hit a roadblock with mouse touchpad not working. Assume I need to manually download driver but can't navigate without mouse, and no provision for a traditional mouse connection. Will a USB mouse work or is their a better solution?

 

Hi Todd,

 

The mouse touchpad on my older Dell laptop (see signature) works with highly optimized WS 2019. So perhaps if your touchpad is sufficiently new, the (perhaps older) WS 2019 ISO may not have a driver for it.

 

Not sure what you mean when you say there is no provision for a traditional mouse connection (?) and then ask whether a USB mouse will work. But if you can plug in a USB mouse that should certainly work.

 

Another possible solution would be to use a WiFi mouse, and since I'm assuming that you want to use Bubble UPnP as a remote control point, that should also work if you have a USB point available for the WiFi dongle.

 

Finally, there might be an appropriate touchpad driver now available in the recent WS 2019 updates. Since I haven't used the start menu in yonks, I don't remember whether you can access the Windows updater there. If you can, great, you might give that a try. If you cannot access the updater via the Start menu, enter sconfig.cmd at a command prompt. Items 5 and 6 that are in the window that will appear allow you examine/change the windows update settings and download and install updates, respectively. Not having done this either for years (see below) I seem to recall that you can select to install all updates or only the important ones. So you might also try to update that way.

 

I haven't installed updates since first using WS 2019 on the laptop as in the past there were a number of reports that updating interfered with one or more aspects of music playback. I took the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' old chestnut to heart, never updated after that, and have had no problems since.

 

Anyway, hope that some of this helps.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie


Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.6.8.1, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, LemonadeElitest 50, MajiorityClean 288, Process Lasso Server Edition 10.4.8.8, TrustedClean 1.4, Windows processes/services stopped via a modified CAD DSK script, registry editor and task manager. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27/June/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 10.8.8.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RB-1590) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 22 June 2022 - 11:40 PM

Good stuff, thanks Bernie.The USB mouse worked so I skipped over the touchpad mouse issue and went straight for the WS 2019 install. Just finished and let her fly. Same problem.

 

I have not fully optimized via the excellent tutorial but am wondering if you think anything in the optimization path will be related to the popping/crackling issue. My thought is leaning toward not. But not unwilling to try.

 

Isnt this odd? It's not like it's isolated to one potentially faulty DAC or PC. I've tried 4 PC's all with different operating systems and 1 Apple. The only one that worked was the Apple, and both DAC's worked with it.

 

Come on Marcin, were flailing. Get your big brain tech guys in here :D



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 01:53 AM

Hi Todd,

 

I'm really grasping at straws here now, but when you say that in the past you have uninstalled and reinstalled JPLAY with no success, were you using the same original downloaded copy of JPLAY, or did you download a fresh copy and try that? If not, let's start from square one and eliminate as many things as possible for WS 2019.

 

Try downloading a new copy, installing that, activating it, checking that you can open the settings panel with no problem and that all settings including the IP address for the WiFi network are correct (try first with both Hibernate mode and Throttle off), checking that all your Bubble UPnP settings are correct, and then seeing if you still have the same problem.

 

By the way, did you try playback from an external hard drive?

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie


Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.6.8.1, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, LemonadeElitest 50, MajiorityClean 288, Process Lasso Server Edition 10.4.8.8, TrustedClean 1.4, Windows processes/services stopped via a modified CAD DSK script, registry editor and task manager. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27/June/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 10.8.8.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RB-1590) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 23 June 2022 - 04:44 AM

OH, yes, sorry, I did try the external hard drive. No discernible difference.

 

I did download "copies" from the download link each time but I used the same activation link so I'm not sure if they were new or the same. But I did not reload from a thumb drive or some other storage media in my possession.

 

I'm going to venture into the Naim forum and see if I can get some input there. Maybe this is a Naim V-1 vs PC issue. Naim's first DAC, the NDAC would not play over USB. Had to use SPDIF so maybe USB is not top priority for the later player either..

 

OK, I'll play with settings and check things out.



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 06:38 PM

SOLVED

 

 

 

"Have you checked and optimized the DAC driver?" Thuan

 

 

"I have to agree with Thuan that the DAC driver, or possibly the PC, may lie at the root of your problem." Bernie

 

 

"I've found that the latest driver for your DAC was released in 2015 by Naim and was designed for Windows 7 and 8. So the driver may indeed be the problem. I'm not sure when the latest firmware update was released, but are you using the most recent version available?" Bernie

 

 

I checked and re-checked the driver (2.0.0) and firmware. I also updated several times, just for the heck of it. But, I didnt uninstall and re-install the driver, until last night. Guess what? It worked. It now plays Ultrastream and Classic at 20 DACLink perfectly fine. Probably other settings too.

 

OK, so I feel a little dumb. Should have done that early in the process but MASSIVE thanks to everyone including Bernie, Thuan, Marcin, JazzDoc, Ben Webster and mkmind.

 

While a bit frustrating it has been very interesting. It is now time to pursue optimization via Bernie's 18 page tutorial!


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Posted 24 June 2022 - 03:22 AM

 

SOLVED

 

 

 

"Have you checked and optimized the DAC driver?" Thuan

 

 

"I have to agree with Thuan that the DAC driver, or possibly the PC, may lie at the root of your problem." Bernie

 

 

"I've found that the latest driver for your DAC was released in 2015 by Naim and was designed for Windows 7 and 8. So the driver may indeed be the problem. I'm not sure when the latest firmware update was released, but are you using the most recent version available?" Bernie

 

 

I checked and re-checked the driver (2.0.0) and firmware. I also updated several times, just for the heck of it. But, I didnt uninstall and re-install the driver, until last night. Guess what? It worked. It now plays Ultrastream and Classic at 20 DACLink perfectly fine. Probably other settings too.

 

OK, so I feel a little dumb. Should have done that early in the process but MASSIVE thanks to everyone including Bernie, Thuan, Marcin, JazzDoc, Ben Webster and mkmind.

 

While a bit frustrating it has been very interesting. It is now time to pursue optimization via Bernie's 18 page tutorial!

 

 

Hi Todd,

 

Very glad to hear you've solved the problem! I had almost run out of straws.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

 

PS I strongly recommend that you give MC292 and LE54 a try (see post #3160, page 158 in the ''Pink HQ and MInorityclean'' thread of the Computer Audio sub-forum). Also I very strongly recommend using HungryBear's TrustedClean 1.4 installer to install both MC and LE as services (see post #3163, page 159 in the ''Pink HQ and MInorityclean'' thread of the Computer Audio sub-forum).


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Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.6.8.1, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, LemonadeElitest 50, MajiorityClean 288, Process Lasso Server Edition 10.4.8.8, TrustedClean 1.4, Windows processes/services stopped via a modified CAD DSK script, registry editor and task manager. For optimization procedure see Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 27/June/2022): https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 10.8.8.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC + JCAT USB Enhancer > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RB-1590) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 24 June 2022 - 09:54 AM

OK, fantastic, thank you. I will install the prescribed cocktail along with AO.

 

With just JPLAY (KS/Ultrastream/Dac Link 1) and nothing else, the sound is really, really good.

 

See you all in the next chapter!



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Posted 24 June 2022 - 10:22 PM

Great to see you're success at last.

 

I recommend you also try hibernate and different daclink settings for the best sound. Daclink sounds warmer/softer at 1 or 5 and progressively cleaner/ holographic at higher settings eg 700 or 1000Hz. Note some pcs/dacs won't play at 1000Hz (mine included) so don't worry if this is the case for you. 

 

+1 to Bernie for suggesting MC/LE with TC Installer too.

 

Have fun.


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Posted 25 June 2022 - 05:14 AM

Oh thank you, that's good to know. I did kind of work my way down, finding 1 to be the "cleanest" (in my system) for lack of a better word. It will be interesting to listen to the options again with a different expectation and see how my brain processes.






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