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Posted 25 January 2023 - 03:50 PM

I have, although I no longer use, a windows server 2022 (Insider Preview) MINICORE with GUI through WinXShell, the differences with Win11PE are notable (in favor of Win11PE).
 
MINICORE:
 
SIZE=2.5 GB (1.37 GB compressed with lz4, but must be booted with Grub4dos, unfeasible in UEFI if you want to do RAMDISK)
processes=41
threads=401
handles=10963
CPU=2-6%
 
Win11PE:
SIZE= 423 MB (Win11XPE with SysWOW64)
SIZE= 348 MB (Mini Win11XPE with SysWOW64)
SIZE= 313 MB (Ultralite with SysWOW64 + pecmd+WinXShell)
SIZE= 262 MB (Ultralite +pecmd+WinXShell)
SIZE= 257 mb (Ultralite WITHOUT WinXShell or PECMD)
 
The rest of the differences in processes, threads and handles, as well as CPU utilization are in the previous post.
 
Regarding the SQ, it is halfway between Server Core 2022 RAMDISK, and Win11XPE and much further from Ultralite PE.
Advantages of MIniCore:
It is much easier to add and remove drivers or apps and nothing else.


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 04:42 PM

There is a way to make a stripped-down but workable Windows. 

You will need the WinNTSetup program.

https://msfn.org/boa...v526-53-beta-6/

Run it. You need to click directly on the word "Mode" (in the lower right corner). This will enable the option "MinWin" which will cut most files.

You can also create a VHD file (right in the program), and fill in the rest of the fields.

It is also necessary to select and fill in the Unattend file (right in the program).

That's all. Then click on Setup button, and Mini Windows will be done.

 
I have, although I no longer use, a windows server 2022 (Insider Preview) MINICORE with GUI through WinXShell, the differences with Win11PE are notable (in favor of Win11PE).
 
MINICORE:
 
SIZE=2.5 GB (1.37 GB compressed with lz4, but must be booted with Grub4dos, unfeasible in UEFI if you want to do RAMDISK)
processes=41
threads=401
handles=10963
CPU=2-6%
 
Win11PE:
SIZE= 423 MB (Win11XPE with SysWOW64)
SIZE= 348 MB (Mini Win11XPE with SysWOW64)
SIZE= 313 MB (Ultralite with SysWOW64 + pecmd+WinXShell)
SIZE= 262 MB (Ultralite +pecmd+WinXShell)
SIZE= 257 mb (Ultralite WITHOUT WinXShell or PECMD)
 
The rest of the differences in processes, threads and handles, as well as CPU utilization are in the previous post.
 
Regarding the SQ, it is halfway between Server Core 2022 RAMDISK, and Win11XPE and much further from Ultralite PE.
Advantages of MIniCore:
It is much easier to add and remove drivers or apps and nothing else.


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 06:27 PM

Last year I also mentioned that "MinWin" option with WinNTSetup so it's pretty much like nothingburger when compared to the goal(s) of our own thread here

 

http://jplay.eu/foru...yclean/?p=60623

 

Not to mention the fact that lsass.exe shouldn't be killed under any "regular" versions of Windows no matter what we're doing to tweak them, it's just rebooting the OS or maybe BSOD etc. and then end of the story.

 

 

 

http://jplay.eu/foru...-guide/?p=62382

PS. I am a longtime tweaker and (as you mentíoned it in one of your previous posts) I actually participated, like you, in the long-ago project of slimming Windows XP cMP / cics memory player - I was nagual19 back then and originated the idea of stripping shell32.dll of its "resource" components using resource hacker   ;)  on audioasylum. This closes the circle ,)

 

http://jplay.eu/foru...-guide/?p=62420

From 2023 years perspective, cMP days seem a bit like wild west, back then hard- and software seemingly was not as diverse as it is now. Editing resources inside EXE + DLL also is not possible anymore due to Windows wanting to load only files which have their signature fingerprints intact (...)

 

I've been waiting for aircondition to come back at some point, though it doesn't hurt to talk about this briefly.

 

For the year of 2023, let's see if we're able to find a way to tackle anything about shell32.dll etc. since they're splitting a single *.dll file into multiple parts these days

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....read&tid=417694

8.新增mun文件精简(适用1903之后版本),无需选择默认替换为精简文件(imageres.dll.mun、mmres.dll.mun、shell32.dll.mun)
   原版3个文件40余M,精简3个文件11.9M,此项可缩小wim体积10M以上
9.新增 Administrator账户 imageres.dll 精简7.5MB,之前版本 Administrato r账户必须使用原版 20多MB的 imageres.dll

 

Basically we aren't touching those *.dll files for obvious reasons, though we'll work on something else instead

 

https://www.elevenfo...334/#post-18017

"Latest Windows 10 builds are using *.MUN files for storing resources, which are located in C:\Windows\SystemResources\*.mun -- that said, for the file C:\Windows\System32\shell32.dll correct resource file path would be C:\Windows\SystemResources\shell32.dll.mun and you should be able to extract it the same way with 7-Zip."
 
PS E:\Temp> 7z x C:\Windows\SystemResources\shell32.dll.mun -oE:\Temp\_shell32
 
E:\Temp\_shell32\.rsrc\ICON
 
or IcoFX

 

BTW, dunno why but the developer of WinXShell was modifying version 10.0.10586.0 (i.e. 1511) of shell32.dll with hex editor

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....541&pid=3235074

 

 

 

And then here's yet another flavor that's gonna be so much fun

 

https://github.com/g...issue-148186709

Nano Server does not have shell32.dll or many other DLLs that are part of standard Windows desktop and Windows Server installations. Nano Server is based on OneCore and as such doesn't have shell functionality; the API in question is moved to a different DLL. OneCore replaces explicit references to system DLLs with "API sets", which are DLL-like things that reference logical sets of APIs that may be hosted by different DLLs on different Windows platforms. For example, CommandLineToArgvW is in api-ms-win-shcore-obsolete-l1-1-0. (I don't know why it's in something marked "obsolete", that seems strange to me, too).
 
Of course, most software out there is not going to start linking to the new API sets any time soon, so Nano Server also has a mechanism to forward from the old DLLs to the new API sets. This mechanism is known internally as "reverse forwarders". These reverse forwarders allow Go software (and a lot of other open source software) to run on Nano Server without changes.

 

https://social.techn...web-server.aspx

https://github.com/M...erse-forwarders

dism /online /add-package /packagepath:c:\packages\Microsoft-OneCore-ReverseForwarders-Package.cab
dism /online /add-package /packagepath:c:\packages\en-us\Microsoft-OneCore-ReverseForwarders-Package.cab

So here's the deal, usually the shell32.dll should be around 7MB or so while shell32.dll.mun turned out to be almost 18MB.

 

Let's borrow version 10.0.22000.1 as an example

 

Spoiler

 

Then I found that Windows 11 Validation OS (version 10.0.22621.1) should be somewhat similar when we're comparing that to Nano Server (version 10.0.14349.1000)

 

http://jplay.eu/foru...-guide/?p=59734

http://jplay.eu/foru...-guide/?p=62054

Spoiler

 

https://archive.org/.../NanoServer.wim

Spoiler

 

That's pretty much why I was looking at quite a few command-line music players, we could get the entire OS even closer to the 200MB mark but most likely there's a price to pay

 

https://forums.mydig...t/posts/1741324

The only gui app I have so far found working is the calc.exe program copied from 32bit Win XP. And, so far, SemWare editor is the only working editor I have. Any version of notepad I have tried has failed, also the previously mentioned WinVi. I suspect a lot of dll depencies for windows gui apps are broken.

 

 

 

BTW, there's something else called "Replicated MinWin" and that's supposed to be done via PowerShell

 

http://jplay.eu/foru...dio-os/?p=57492



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Posted 26 January 2023 - 12:25 PM

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Thanks for the useful information!

 

Does anyone have WinPE Builder Version 3.5【Updated on 2022.03.18】?

from http://bbs.wuyou.net...4&extra=&page=1

And does it support English?

I can't register on Baidu. And on the second link the speed is terribly slow.

 

Also, here is an interesting player:

https://github.com/Raimusoft/FoxTunes

It has many good plugins.


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Posted 28 January 2023 - 11:14 PM

Are there ISO's of any of these windows builds available?



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Posted 29 January 2023 - 03:24 AM

I'm not saying that we couldn't get our hands on ISO images easily, and then even the size seemed to be right

 

 

For those who would actually bother to DAFS

 

https://archive.org/...subject:"winpe"

 

We'll actually end up with at least a handful of options

 

https://archive.org/details/wpelite

https://archive.org/...ild 22000.1.iso

https://archive.org/...0.1 (WinPE).iso

https://archive.org/...se.-210604-1628

https://archive.org/...s/boot_20210625

 

 

 

What I'm really trying to say here is, we just don't wanna trust any strangers these days whenever we dunno what they're up to.

 

If one of those ISO images were specifically crafted to cause irreparable damage of some sort, it's gonna get us royally screwed while in some cases you might even lose your shirt over nothing.

 

MoonBounce: the dark side of UEFI firmware

 

CosmicStrand: the discovery of a sophisticated UEFI firmware rootkit

 

CosmicStrand UEFI malware found in Gigabyte, ASUS motherboards

 

Sometimes a piece of "extra special" malicious code could very well be a "rare gem" as shown above, not exactly a girl's best friend but (the marketing of) De Beers certainly made us believe that diamonds are forever.

 

Ransomware might be even worse if they're staying dormant for a little while, one could only imagine what would happen if our online / offline backups were taken hostage.

 

Please don't tell us that you WannaCry if there were anything wrong

 

https://apt.secureli...om/apt/wannacry

 

Identity theft should take the cake, though

 

https://www.mcafee.c...eft-statistics/

Criminals work to get malware on your devices so they can steal personal information, like your usernames and passwords, bank account numbers, or Social Security number. They use this information to commit identity theft.

 

 

 

Regarding FoxTunes, I don't even know what to say.

 

.NET Framework 4.6.2 is required and that's something we'd like to avoid since it's increasing the size of an ISO image significantly.

 

In addition, I checked the files and they turned out to be 32-bit ones. Once again it wouldn't be such a good idea to add that SysWOW64 folder.



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Posted 30 January 2023 - 06:37 AM

MS VALIDATION OS AS AUDIO OS?:
 
Well, I have made some attempts to achieve it, but I see that I am far from it.
First of all, the system does not save as much space as it is supposed to, since initially you have to add the .cab packages contained in the iso file, those in the neutral folder first, and then those in the en-us folder, with what that we almost reached 200 mb.
Then there are many missing dlls in \windows\system32; where I also don't see clearly how the system starts (winrm.cmd loads winrm.vbs?) since there is no winpeshl.exe, winpeshl.ini, or wpeinit.exe.
We also do not have regedit.exe, although I have accessed the registry by loading the hive from regedit of the host OS (regedit>>load hive>>z:\windows\system32\config\system) being this quite different from winpe, which makes it difficult to worked.
Also if we add the programs we want to run, the drivers we need, the missing dlls in system32, and more things that arise... I think that in the end we will stay very close to the size of Win11 PE Ultralite, which I have currently reduced, eliminating drivers that I do not need, up to 237 MB and I can still remove more, although it is hard work and in the end with the trial-error method.
I don't think it's worth it, although I'll keep trying, for fun.


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 06:16 PM

I was able to create a Windows11 Audiophile Ultralite following Samotc's guide (Thanks Samotc). I can install a foobar2000 32bit just fine. BUT I'm having problem opening my music folder using foobar2000. It crashes right away. Also can't see my DAC in foobar2000 preference tab. It shows NULL output.

Using process hacker, I have the modules used by foobar2000 in Windows11XPE but I am confuse where should i copy and paste the required DLLs needed? Is it to System32 or Wow64? 

Thank you for your help.



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Posted 07 February 2023 - 10:30 PM

I was able to create a Windows11 Audiophile Ultralite following Samotc's guide (Thanks Samotc). I can install a foobar2000 32bit just fine. BUT I'm having problem opening my music folder using foobar2000. It crashes right away. Also can't see my DAC in foobar2000 preference tab. It shows NULL output.

Using process hacker, I have the modules used by foobar2000 in Windows11XPE but I am confuse where should i copy and paste the required DLLs needed? Is it to System32 or Wow64? 

Thank you for your help.

 

If Foobar 2000 is 32-bit, you must copy the dlls to SysWOW64, except the ones Processhacker tells them to go elsewhere.

Keep in mind that it will only be able to install ASIO drivers, NOT WASAPI nor KS, as they require windows audio.

 

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 04:23 AM

I forgot to mention that Validation OS could still be used as the OS of something like NAS even if that weren't exactly ideal of playing music

 

To me, MPD with NFS produces the best sound.  uPnp can't produces such sound.  But sadly there are some players accept upnp rather then NFS, as upnp it is supported widely in streaming and OPENHome.

 

If we don't need Unicode support at all, the following NFS Server software should be OK

 

https://www.hanewin.net/nfs-e.htm

https://bbs.himedia....114449-1-1.html

 

When it comes to Unicode support, we might be able to borrow NFSv4.1 from Windows Server 2012 etc.

 

GNRUPgD.png

 

I guess that we might be able to export the config of NFS Server from Windows Server 2012 first, then import that via PowerShell afterwards

 

https://github.com/M...onfiguration.md

https://github.com/M...onfiguration.md

https://github.com/M...ion-environment

Windows PowerShell 2.0, Windows PowerShell 3.0, and Windows PowerShell 4.0 run in the Windows Preinstallation Environment (Windows PE).

 

And then here's the client

 

http://www.citi.umic...ows/readme.html

https://github.com/c...t-setup-x64.exe

 

 

 

MC/LE/ES seemed to be no good for music players at all, therefore it would be interesting to find out if stuff like NAS would be any different.



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Posted 10 February 2023 - 10:48 AM

Hi everyone, I have further reduced the size of my Win11 PE audiophile Ultralite, to exactly 234 MB.
The steps I have followed are the following:
1. Prepare a list of all active services, through processhacker, including those corresponding to drivers.
2. From this list, see which drivers are not loaded, and which ones may not be necessary for the execution of the system and the apps and devices that interest me.
3. Identified the same, mount flatboot vhd on host OS and navigate to the folder \windows\system32\drivers and rename the *.sys files to *.sy0.
4. Reboot PC and boot from flatboot vhd
5. Check that everything works including apps and devices that interest (keyboard, mouse, external drives, audio apps, DAC drivers...)
6. Reboot PC from host OS.
7. Mount flatboot vhd
8. Navigate to \windows\system32\drivers and delete the *.sy0 files
 
10. Navigate to \Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository and move all the folders corresponding to the previously deleted drivers in \Windows\System32\Drivers, to a folder created by us external to flatboot vhd (backup in case any need to be restored subsequently).
11. Restart PC and check, again, that everything works, if so, we have already achieved the objective. If not, you will have to review the deleted folders and look for the one or those suspected of dysfunction, and try the trial-error method until you find them.
 
 
 
I am attaching 2 .txt files with the files that I have removed from \windows\system32\drivers, and the folders that I have removed from \windows\system32\driverstore\filerepository.
This is indicative, since I only have ASIO audio drivers, and I DO NOT HAVE A NETWORK, so there will be files and folders deleted here that others will not be able to do so due to their hardware and software configuration.
 
Greetings

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 01:48 PM

Here's a very different paradigm to create a copy of PE manually, the author pretty much broke everything down by providing the exact lists of files required

 

https://pecmd.net/thread-173.htm

 

Audio (WASAPI seemed to be included) and networking parts should be quite useful, and then he also shared a tool to generate an image last month

 

https://pecmd.net/thread-485.htm

https://wwph.lanzout.com/iy5CM0m668jc

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(For English version of PE, simply change any folders from zh-CN to en-US accordingly.)

 

 

 

Another one could very well be a game changer if you will, it's based on version 19041.1 of Windows 10 and the image was actually reduced to merely 88.9MB while a list of files could also be found

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....read&tid=427892

 

List of files for version 22000.1 of Windows 11 here

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....read&tid=427959

 

And then there's this tool from the same guy and it's meant to strip WinRE.wim way down

 

http://bbs.c3.wuyou....read&tid=426035

 

That 88.9MB flavor would only support networking by default, that means we'll have to add audio-related components manually and I guess that we should end up with something that's around 100MB or so then?

 

 

 

He just happened to put everything online but it ain't too easy to get them

 

https://pan.baidu.co...cPYUeu5gi7FmJAQ

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Some volunteers might be generous enough to fetch them and then share those files on a different site

 

 

Something interesting could also be found in the comments section

 

https://gist.github....de48435b52c5b12

 

The first link should be unavailable temporarily, let's give it a try again after a few days

 

https://www.gizdev.c...link-generator/



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Posted 12 February 2023 - 05:09 AM

 

He just happened to put everything online but it ain't too easy to get them

 

https://pan.baidu.co...cPYUeu5gi7FmJAQ

 

I've downloaded the files to a temporary online storage.

 

Disclaimer: It's for my own research use only...



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Posted 12 February 2023 - 11:08 AM

That's awesome, many thanks for your help.

 

BOOT.WIM turned out to contain only 651 files and 104 folders, that's pretty impressive

 

Spoiler

 

Of course it's version 19041.1 of Windows 10 and I do expect that version 22000.1 of Windows 11 (with the same baseline that is) would get a little bit bigger than that.

 

In addition, we'll also need to add audio-related components but thankfully I found a little something that's incredible tiny

 

https://audiophilest...comment-1229696

PlayPcm.exe program size is currently 44544 bytes but if you strip functionalities such as DSF/DSDIFF decode and experimental unnecessary large page memory allocation code, 22000 ~ 23000 bytes EXE file is possible but I think it is waste of time, use sysinternals vmmap to measure actual program footprint, many DLLs (total 28MB) are loaded onto VM to run PlayPcm.

 

tA0gDGr.png

 

 

 

 

Some of us might not like command-line only music players, though we could still try foobar2000 with something called foo_run

 

https://hydrogenaud.....php?msg=983450

https://www.foobar20...ts/view/foo_run

 

Foo_run for running another media player

https://community.mp...ia-player/12565

 

 

 

foo_run_group_v1.04.7z

https://ux.getupload...00/download/220

 

That's only compatible with 32-bit version of foobar2000, though.

 

For the 64-bit version, not sure if this developer were able to get that updated?

 

https://github.com/g...u/foo_run_group



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Posted 15 February 2023 - 08:05 AM

I've downloaded the files to a temporary online storage.

 

Disclaimer: It's for my own research use only...

 

I must inform you that the .wim files contained in the download folder referred to as "temporary online storage" according to Total AV detection contain malware (Trojans and rmware).

 

 

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Posted 15 February 2023 - 11:07 AM

Well, I just feel so sorry to mention this

 

https://botcrawl.com/totalav/

TotalAV (also searched for as TotalAV virus or Total AV) by SS Protect Limited is recognized as a potentially unwanted program (or PUP), ad-loader, and trojan that is promoted as a Security Suite for the Windows Operating System. It is a rebranded version of PCProtect. The TotalAV.exe file associated with the program is detected as a potentially unwanted program and trojan by reputable Antivirus programs according to Google’s VirusTotal report.
 
Once TotalAV is installed it will ask you for your full name, an email address, and a password to activate your “free” copy. The TotalAV program will then scan the computer. The results of the scan will suggest that the program has detected a variety of issues. The program will label the issues under different levels of severity from severe to critical. In order to fix the issues detected by the program, you must purchase the program. It is not actually free as it suggests.
 
The TotalAV program will also download and install a browser add-on and extension named Total AV Web Shield. The Total AV Web Shield extension for Google Chrome has permission to read and change all your data on the websites you visit, replace the page you see when opening a new tab, read and change your browsing history, display notifications, manage your downloads, and open downloaded files. This is a large amount of permissions that can violate your privacy and make you install things you did not want to.
 
To make matters worse, the TotalAV PUP is usually advertised on websites that also bolster malware, adware, spyware, computer viruses, and other malicious threats. Websites that contain prohibited content such as illegal video streams, torrents, and pornography will utilize unethical adverting networks that will promote this program and other threats at the same time. This means that if you found TotalAV installed on your computer without your knowledge, it is likely that your computer is also infected with other unwanted programs, malware, and major security threats that should be removed.

 

 

https://www.virustot...v.com/community

Badware (incl. PC Tune-Up) - site blocked by u-block.
Not trusted!
 
 
 
Shady software which secretly uses the Avira engine and is advertised with misleading advertising and spam notifications.
#PUP
 
 
 
This is a fake antivirus.

 

https://www.virustot...v.com/community

TotalAV is very shady software, which is promoted using scam tactics.
I would strongly advise people avoid this program and the company who makes it
#PUP

 

 

 

linked to malicious chrome notifications trying to get user to purchase TotalAV.com by doing fake McAfee Antivirus popups saying pc is infected, seen on 1/16/2023
best-pc-protect.xyz
champse.click
chisol.org
defol.club
thiem-csl.com
vinto.club
www.totalav.com
yomst.org
mcafee-home.7eer.net

 

Why is my TOTALAV antivirus program quarantining “TR/Crypt. XPACK.Gen” from FIREFOX program and FIREFOX Install Program

 

PUP.Optional.TotalAV

 

How reliable is Total AV?

https://www.bleeping...le-is-total-av/

 

Removal instructions for TotalAV Antivirus 2018

https://forums.malwa...antivirus-2018/

 

Malwarebytes seemed to have detected TotalAV as a threat

https://forums.overc...hreat.18888816/

 

 

 

It's pretty much the same deal if you ask me

 

 

The YouTube channels of Kitboga and Pierogi (with millions of subscribers because of the entertainment value) are super funny to say the least, highly recommended

 

https://www.youtube....FszZxUKw/videos

 

https://www.youtube....tLBx5X7w/videos



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Posted 15 February 2023 - 02:10 PM

My apologies to the forum.
I have Total AV purchased and registered, it has already given me several false positives with processhacker, svbus, and some others. I have uninstalled it.
I also have Malwarebytes premium 4.5.21, I have scanned the files and it doesn't detect anything suspicious.
For greater security I have also scanned with Kaspersky Rescue disk without any negative incidence.
I reiterate my apologies to the forum.


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Posted 15 February 2023 - 04:35 PM

Thanks samotc for double checking the files. One can never be too careful when it comes to files from the internet.

 

Would also like to take this chance to thank samotc for always so generously sharing ideas and findings here.


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Posted 15 February 2023 - 05:41 PM

Yes.thanks Samotc and don't kick yourself. So easy to make that mistake
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Posted 15 February 2023 - 05:58 PM

I tried to create a Win10PE vhd based on the .Wim file mentioned above (I can't boot the 88MB boot.wim so I choosed the bigger file like 150MB). It boots fine but I notice an "name.exe" file that is questionable. So I deleted it and explore the built in apps functionality. I'm offline so I can't test anything that needs internet like the browser. I can't install 32 bit apps. Tried foobar2000 64bit but it creates "can't install to the memory error". I don't know how to add apps to an already created PE. I hope somebody will do it (Samotc). Thanks.






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