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#1 TubemanRQ

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Posted 26 March 2021 - 11:54 PM

Hi everyone,

 

  Does the new JPlay FEMTO support WS2019 core daul-PC for wireless WIFI control with an Android Samsung tablet for just FEMTO, not other streaming services?

 

Thanks for any helpful responses.

Looking forward to re-assembling my dual-PC setup but just want to understand the caveats with GUI or core install.

I understand Audirvana will not install in core mode.

Core mode sounded WAYYYY better when I was using WS2016 core for both Control and Audio PC so I think that is the way I will go with WS2019, and maybe use a different device to stream from Tidal or Quobuz.

 

Cheers!

 

-Randy

 


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#2 BernieK

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Posted 27 March 2021 - 01:09 AM

Hi Randy,

 

My understanding is that WS2019 Core Mode does not support wireless LAN. If I'm wrong, hopefully other folk will jump in with better information.

 

WS2019 Desktop/GUI Mode does support wireless LAN and I'm using Bubble UPnP on an Android phone as a remote control point for a dual PC system. In Desktop/GUI mode you have to use the server manager to install WLAN support and then make sure the WLAN Autoconfig service is running (if not start it). Desktop/GUI mode can be optimized to achieve sound quality very close to that of core mode. The trade off is that you get the convenience of Desktop/GUI mode but slightly (emphasize slightly) reduced sound quality. In my signature there is a link to an optimization guide that you may find useful.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie


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Control Point: Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 3.5.4, or Dell Inspiron 15R SE laptop (Windows Server 2019 - Standard Edition Desktop), Intel Core i7-3612QM, 2.1 GHz, 1Tb 5400 rpm SATA HDD, 16Gb Kingston DDR3 1600 MHz RAM, Upplay 1.4.10 or Audionet-RCP 3.5.0
Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD (Control-PC) or 480Gb Kingston A1000 M2 NVMe SSD (Audio-PC) and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edtion) in highly optimised Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which both PCs run headless (no monitor, keyboard or mouse)
Optimization: Fidelizer Pro 8.6, MinorityClean 236 (currently), Process Lasso Server Edition 10.2.0.40, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, a modified CAD DSK script, manual termination of specific Windows processes/services. Windows processes/services running on Audio-PC: 18; on Control-PC: 22 (additional 4 processes/services required for WiFi connection to Control Point). Full optimization procedure described in my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (updated 31/07/2021): (https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing)

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 9.9.1.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 27.0.15
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS; Engine: ULTRAstream; Bitstream: Native; Bitperfect Volume: OFF; DAC Link: 500; XtreamSize: 1000; Throttle: ON; Hibernate Mode: ON
Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Luxman DA-06 > 1m Chord Chameleon Plus XLR cables > Luxman L-505ux MkII (or Luxman DA-06 > 1m ProA2 RCA cable > Rotel RC-1590 > Rotel RB-1590 or McIntosh MC152) > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2)


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Posted 27 March 2021 - 10:42 AM

I confirm, Windows Server 2019 Core doesn't support wireless LAN.



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Posted 25 June 2021 - 04:34 PM

Hi everyone!
The core mode win Server 2019 for both PCs sounds much, much and much better. Just a new level for my setup. It's possible to use remote device with it. Not Wi-Fi. On my motherboard, on control PC, there are two Ethernet connections. I use one connecting it to my router for homenet connection with static IP, to disable network services with AO 3.0. Femto Server works just fine with my phone and Bubble. But I prefer the fantastic sound of JPlay mini.

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Posted 26 June 2021 - 06:35 AM

Hi everyone!
The core mode win Server 2019 for both PCs sounds much, much and much better. Just a new level for my setup. It's possible to use remote device with it. Not Wi-Fi. On my motherboard, on control PC, there are two Ethernet connections. I use one connecting it to my router for homenet connection with static IP, to disable network services with AO 3.0. Femto Server works just fine with my phone and Bubble. But I prefer the fantastic sound of JPlay mini.

If you don't want to use Wifi then you can use Upplay as a remote control on a PC in a wired configuration


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Posted 30 July 2021 - 09:47 AM

Hi Marcin!
Currently, what is the control method of a dual pc system that gives better sound, cable or wifi? I know it depends on the system, and if the Wi-Fi installation is well optimized.
I suppose that if the wifi system is poorly optimized, it is best to control directly with Upplay in control pc  , and better yet, in a laptop connected by cable to control pc . If this is true, would the Apple MacBook Air with M1 Chip, and passive cooling, be a good candidate? Is a windows laptop better?
I also suppose that with optimized wifi, currently the best is Bubble UPnP with Android, and in the future it will be surpassed by the JPLAY application for iOS.
When does JPLAY for iOS launch? Does it support ethernet connection? If the answer is positive, would the cable connection from control pc  to an ipad give better sound than wifi?
 
Waiting for your answers, I say goodbye.
 
Best regards,
JossDSD


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Posted 06 August 2021 - 12:38 PM

Hello JossDSD, 

 

Macbook is a good solution. Running upplay directly on control PC is another option. I prefer using Bubble UPnP on Android (from the options available now on the market)

 

If you want to try beta version of JPLAY app, please send me a PM. It is for iOS exclusively. I have not tried wired connection. I just use it on an iPhone with great results.

 

Regards, 

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#8 JossDSD

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Posted 15 August 2021 - 01:19 PM

Hi Marcin!
 
It has become clear to me that the best sound, if the entire system is optimized, is through Wi-Fi control.
 
Thank you for offering me the beta version of the JPLAY app for iOS. Unfortunately I still don’t have any iOS device, nor any kind of remote control, that's why I asked you, to buy the right device. I am waiting for a good offer to buy an iPad. When I have it, I'll let you know to see if your offer still stands.
 
About the ipad that I want to buy, I have a question. Do I have enough with 64GB of storage for JPLAY iOS, and whatever else is needed to play?
 
I also want to ask you about some problems I have with my single PC.
 

I recently lowered the latency to 1ms and the buffer to 64 on the Marantz asio usb driver, which allowed me to set 1000Hz in JPLAY, with good results. Since then, when I start playing a track, I feel a click. I found it to occur, because the operating system, automatically changed the power plan from balancing (where I had it), to high performance. As a temporary solution, I left it permanently in high performance, and avoid the click. I do not know if I have done well, because I have read in the forum, that for the best sound quality, it is better to deactivate the turbo and high performance modes. Then, I realized another problem. I reproduce directly on my single PC, having configured the screen shutdown in Windows in 1 minute. When I activate it with the mouse or keyboard, the sound decreases in volume momentarily and then increases again. As a solution I have the screen always on, or I turn it off and on manually. Are these problems normal in 1ms and buffer 64? Before, with latency at 16ms and buffer at 8192, I had none. Is there another way to fix them? Is the sound quality affected by being permanently on high performance? I don't know if all this would be avoided by updating the motherboard BIOS (Supermicro MBD-X11SCL-F-O), which is also the yours. I say this, because in said bios, it is only allowed to change the power plan of the processor, but not to manually adjust the voltage with precision. In this way, said voltage is "dancing" something, which may cause the problems that I have mentioned. Have you updated the bios? Regardless of this problem, does the bios have to be updated?

 

Thanks Marcin for everything.

 

Regards,

 

JossDSD



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:27 AM

Hi JossDSD, 

 

64GB is plenty.

 

I don't think the 1ms setting is related to your issues. Power plan setting in Windows is best set to performance. 

 

I disable turbo (speedstep) in BIOS. Adjusting voltage for CPU/RAM is not available on all motherboards, but this is unlikely the cause of the issues you're experiencing. 

 

Regards, 

Marcin


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