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#1 ellisdj

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 10:55 AM

Its been a long time since I put together the platform of an audio pc

I have been using an i7 2700k and P8Z77 mobo for years.

 

Is it really worth going from this old platform up to something like a newer coffee lake 8 core i7 with a lower TDP of 65W but not multiplier? with a Z390 Mobo

 

I am struggling to find a server and xeon setup that would suit me with integrated graphics and M ATX mobo - reasonably priced.

 

Its been a long time and I feel very out of the game when it comes to what is good

 

Thanks for any help

All the best 



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Posted 06 November 2019 - 09:55 PM

Hi ellisdj,

Here's my two cents for what it's worth. IMHO probably not much to be gained from going from your platform to a similar albeit more recent one. You could expect to get improvements with a server mobo and low TDP CPU, but as you pointed out, the new Supermicro mobos with Intel Xeon D are pricey especially if you need more than one PCIe slot. What some of us on the forum have done is to get a Supermicro X11SSL micro ATX mobo (available for about 250 euros) and an Intel Xeon E3 1240L (or similar) from Ebay or Aliexpress for about 50 euros. In addition, the X11SSL has 3 PCIe slots, DDR4 and integrated graphics (the E3 1240L doesn't), providing a cheaper solution. Mobos like these have good quality VRM, which is sometimes the case on gamer mobos, but less so on others. Stable voltages help good SQ. Another advantage of using low TDP platforms is obviously easier cooling in fanless cases but more importantly less 'work' for the power supply and potentially less noise generated by the mobo's components.

If you want to get a genuinely huge improvement in SQ with your current set up, then install JCAT DC cables for your SSDs, CPU and JCAT cards. That would be money well spent and you could be surprised.

I hope these thoughts can help. Your internet site is pretty cool. Kind regards.



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:42 AM

I have already done most of what you suggest I have lots of JCAT cards and cables.

In the end I have managed to find a Workstation motherboard to suit me and gone for a new Xeon 6 core CPU from the new 2100 family with apacer I industrial ram and industrial ssd.

This is not cheap but I am hoping it will yield a worthwhile and long term sensible investment
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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:56 AM

Hi would you mind sharing with us which motherboard you are using.
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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:55 PM

of course, I have ordered this asus motherboard

https://www.asus.com...s/WS-C246M-PRO/


Had it order it from US amazon

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 01:54 PM

Terry, as I wrote in the email, I think that you will appreciate the jump to xeon and ECC RAM ;)

 

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 02:15 PM

Thanks Marcin. I started this thread before I ordered the bits. Appreciate your help with it as always
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Posted 07 November 2019 - 08:03 PM

Would be interesting to have your thoughts on SQ once your new Xeon 2100 platform is working.


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Posted 29 November 2019 - 01:55 PM

@ellisdj definitely interested in learning more about your  WS C246M PRO experience


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Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:25 PM

I have been waiting weeks for the new Xeon CPUs to be out with delay after delay.  Its due for delivery today at last so I will be on the build asap.

 

Got Server 2019 to use with this new build - I hope the OS install all goes smoothly and everything from there - fingers crossed :)


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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:41 PM

It may be time to reconsider AMD compatibility. AMD is not the inferior-but-cheap brand it once was. They have made a lot of changes since 2016 and are now poised to dominate the market. Meanwhile Intel has hit a wall both with supply, performance and with future growth.

 

I have just switched over to AMD myself, having realized that any further intel upgrades would be throwing money away - but haven't had time to any serious audio listening yet. I would think that AMD's emphasis on core count and threads would vs. Ghz frequency would be more favorable to audio software.


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#12 ellisdj

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 10:22 AM

I have started the build and there are a few things straight away that have been issues I didnt consider - with the Asus WS C246M Pro board and the JCAT PC case the cooling pipes run across the top of the RAM slots - I could only get 2 of the cooling pipes to fit the rest were too tight on the ram.

 

You can bend the cooling pipes but I am going to run with the 2 and see how I get on.

 

The second issue is the bios - the version it came with was terrible - it took about 8 attempts to get into the bios settings pressing the delete key on the keyboard.  I updated the bios and its better but on occasion it still doesn't seem to work.

 

Hopefully there will be a more stable bios down the line there often is as we know.  That is as far as I have got so far :) 

 

PS Install your ram before the cooling pipes otherwise all the effort you go to to install all 8 pipes neatly with the perfect amount of TIM goes to waste - not speaking from experience of course :) 


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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:39 PM

Thanks for sharing your hands on experience.

P.S. It's utterly critical to take good care of heat cooling and BIOS access before doing anything else on a new or unoptimized server, so the above heads up are very helpful at least to me a clumsy and usually jump-the-gun boy.
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Posted 08 December 2019 - 09:31 AM

I have been running the server for the last 24 or so hours and my case is at room temperature. Before it would have been noticeably warm the new xeon cpu has a lower rated tdp but in reality its generating a lot less heat. That bit I was a little worried about but without need to be so that is great.

I havent done any optimizations yet literally none but the sound quality now is showing me the potential for when I have so that is exciting.

Server 2019 datacentre I am using as the OS feels more stripped down than server 2016 I was running previously I havent seen Cortana or auto update or anything annoying like that yet. I am running in GUI mode as I dont have the skills to work in core mode which is a shame so there are a lot of improvements to be made from shutting the graphic services down etc. This made a huge improvement difference before so I expect the same again

I have to get my head around the new bios to work out what I can turn off. I was hoping it would be similar to my previous asus bios making my life easier but its not it's totally different with a ton of options to trial and error / google - :)

I will say I have the luxury of having the JCAT M12 Gold switch here atm and that is a great thing for making the system sound much better

Moral of this story so far I have taken more of Marcins great advice and as always that advice has never let me down or wasted my time and money. Thanks Marcin you are the man


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Posted 09 December 2019 - 03:41 PM

I have been running the server for the last 24 or so hours and my case is at room temperature. Before it would have been noticeably warm the new xeon cpu has a lower rated tdp but in reality its generating a lot less heat. That bit I was a little worried about but without need to be so that is great.

I havent done any optimizations yet literally none but the sound quality now is showing me the potential for when I have so that is exciting.

Server 2019 datacentre I am using as the OS feels more stripped down than server 2016 I was running previously I havent seen Cortana or auto update or anything annoying like that yet. I am running in GUI mode as I dont have the skills to work in core mode which is a shame so there are a lot of improvements to be made from shutting the graphic services down etc. This made a huge improvement difference before so I expect the same again

I have to get my head around the new bios to work out what I can turn off. I was hoping it would be similar to my previous asus bios making my life easier but its not it's totally different with a ton of options to trial and error / google - :)

I will say I have the luxury of having the JCAT M12 Gold switch here atm and that is a great thing for making the system sound much better

Moral of this story so far I have taken more of Marcins great advice and as always that advice has never let me down or wasted my time and money. Thanks Marcin you are the man

Good to hear - please keep us posted :)

 

Regards, 

Marcin


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