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[darkblood1984]

https://www.bilibili...eo/BV1xg4y1W7E6

 

230323-ada8xr(fw)-s1c wck-845tube-Gryphon Pantheon-es59+61

 

[taxman2]

Hungrybear, should I replace ES59 and ES61 in your script and have a go?

[micika]

ES56-ES61 has a big problem. For me this is a big problem.

 

The scene is flat horizontally. The reason this is happening is because this series pushes highest tones towards the mids and bass is effectively not deep and 3D enough.

 

If one cares to listen to cymbals with ES55, he will find that they go much higher in the scene, have a longer tone, and create much better 3D imaging. Without this, their is no life into music. I always take cymbals as an example, but vocals and many other instruments go in the highs. If something pushes them down - we have flat music. Its unrealistic. I suggest listening to test records where solo instruments are present.

 

Same thing goes with the bass. If its not deep and 3D enough - we cant get warm sound. But the problem with the flat highs is much more pressing.

 

ES55 is still the King and ES 59 has the sweetest mids.

[BernieK]

ES56-ES61 has a big problem. For me this is a big problem.

 

The scene is flat horizontally. The reason this is happening is because this series pushes highest tones towards the mids and bass is effectively not deep and 3D enough.

 

If one cares to listen to cymbals with ES55, he will find that they go much higher in the scene, have a longer tone, and create much better 3D imaging. Without this, their is no life into music. I always take cymbals as an example, but vocals and many other instruments go in the highs. If something pushes them down - we have flat music. Its unrealistic. I suggest listening to test records where solo instruments are present.

 

Same thing goes with the bass. If its not deep and 3D enough - we cant get warm sound. But the problem with the flat highs is much more pressing.

 

ES55 is still the King and ES 59 has the sweetest mids.

 

Have you tried ES55 plus ES60 using HungryBear's ES55-ES60 patch with TrustedClean (post #4571 in this thread)?

 

Also see post #4572 for a script that will automatically create a RAM disk, run TrustedClean and install single copies of ExtremeStabilizer 55 (as a Network Service) and ExtremeStabiliser 60 (as a Local Service). See the post for additional requirements needed for the script to work.

[JazzDoc]

Have you tried ES55 plus ES60 using HungryBear's ES55-ES60 patch with TrustedClean (post #4571 in this thread)?

 

Also see post #4572 for a script that will automatically create a RAM disk, run TrustedClean and install single copies of ExtremeStabilizer 55 (as a Network Service) and ExtremeStabiliser 60 (as a Local Service). See the post for additional requirements needed for the script to work.

 

In my setup, the above combination sounds really good!

[BernieK]

I compared ES61, ES61 plus ES55 and ES60 plus ES55 using my RAM disk script with HungryBear’s TrustedClean 2.0.

 

Optimizations were as described in my Guide. Settings used for TrustedClean and Process Lasso were those recommended by various Forum participants and were consistently applied with all versions of ES trialed. Process Lasso was started after TrustedClean had finished its operations.

 

TrustedClean Settings

TrustedClean installed in Local Disk H:

Launch as: NT Authority

CPU Priority: Default CPU priority

Launch Mode:

  Control-PC: Multi-User: Network + Local Service

  Audio-PC: Multi-User: SYSTEM + Local Service (ES61 only)

  Audio-PC: Multi-User: Network + Local Service (ES55 plus ES61 or ES60)

Set High I/O Priority to all ES/MC/LE instances

Portable mode selected

 

Process Lasso Settings (for all ES versions on both the Control and Audio-PCs)

CPU Priority: Always Below normal

CPU Affinity: TC Default

I/O Priority: TC Default

Memory Priority: Always Medium

Induce Performance Mode

Prevent Sleep: Prevent PC

Exclude from ProBalance

More: Disable Idlesaver; Exclude from SmartTrim; Exclude from Foreground Boost

 

Caveat: the following comments apply specifically to my system, ears and room. Your mileage/kilometerage will likely vary.

 

To be brief, ES61 came across as very clear, perhaps as micika reported because of a more pronounced upper midrange. This seemed to result in ES61 sounding slightly thin in the lower to middle mid-range, or perhaps it merely seemed so due to emphasis in higher mid-range frequencies. In any event, to me the balance seemed uneven.

 

So I modified Hungry Bear’s TrustedClean5560Patch to work with ES55 and ES61. This improved things somewhat with the inclusion of ES55 reducing some of the imbalance of ES61. However, the sound still seemed to lack proper balance across the frequency range and came across as slightly ‘’hollow’’ (not a good audiophile term, I know). 

 

To convince myself that the balance remained an issue on my system, I reverted to ES55 plus ES60. Now the sound had that “fullness”, for want of a better word, that been lacking. There was sufficient detail at the top end, a nicely rounded (again for want of a better word) mid-range and a well-defined lower end. For me the ES55 plus ES60 combination sounds best with my setup.

 

I’m curious to learn what other Forum participants think of the latest Extreme Stabilizer offering.

[dugi]

 

HungryBear의 TrustedClean 2.0과 내 RAM 디스크 스크립트를 사용하여 ES61, ES61 + ES55 및 ES60 + ES55를 비교했습니다.

 

최적화는 내 가이드에 설명된 대로였습니다. TrustedClean 및 Process Lasso에 사용된 설정은 다양한 포럼 참가자가 권장한 설정이며 모든 버전의 ES 시험판에 일관되게 적용되었습니다. Process Lasso는 TrustedClean이 작업을 마친 후에 시작되었습니다.

 

TrustedClean 설정

로컬 디스크 H에 설치된 TrustedClean:

다음으로 시작: NT Authority

CPU 우선 순위: 기본 CPU 우선 순위

시작 모드:

  Control-PC: 다중 사용자: 네트워크 + 로컬 서비스

  오디오 PC: 다중 사용자: 시스템 + 로컬 서비스(ES61만 해당)

  오디오 PC: 다중 사용자: 네트워크 + 로컬 서비스(ES55 + ES61 또는 ES60)

모든 ES/MC/LE 인스턴스에 높은 I/O 우선 순위 설정

휴대용 모드 선택됨

 

프로세스 올가미 설정 (제어 및 오디오 PC의 모든 ES 버전용)

CPU 우선순위: 항상 보통 이하

CPU 선호도: TC 기본값

I/O 우선순위: TC 기본값

메모리 우선 순위: 항상 보통

성능 모드 유도

절전 방지: PC 방지

ProBalance에서 제외

더보기: Idlesaver 비활성화; SmartTrim에서 제외; 전경 부스트에서 제외

 

경고: 다음 설명은 내 시스템, 귀 및 공간에 특별히 적용됩니다. 마일리지/킬로미터는 다를 수 있습니다.

 

간단히 말해서, ES61은 아마도 micika가 더 확연한 중음역 때문에 보고한 것처럼 매우 명확하게 들렸습니다. 이것은 ES61이 중저역에서 약간 얇게 들리는 결과를 가져오는 것 같았습니다. 어쨌든 저에게는 균형이 고르지 않은 것 같았습니다.

 

그래서 ES55 및 ES61에서 작동하도록 Hungry Bear의 TrustedClean5560Patch를 수정했습니다. 이것은 ES55를 포함하여 ES61의 일부 불균형을 줄임으로써 다소 개선되었습니다. 그러나 사운드는 여전히 주파수 범위 전체에서 적절한 균형이 부족한 것처럼 보였고 약간 ''공허''(좋은 오디오 파일 용어가 아님)로 들렸습니다. 

 

균형이 내 시스템의 문제로 남아 있음을 확신하기 위해 ES55와 ES60으로 되돌아갔습니다. 이제 그 소리는 더 나은 단어가 없기 때문에 부족했던 "충만함"을 가졌습니다. 상단에는 충분한 디테일이 있었고, 멋지게 둥근(더 나은 단어가 필요함) 중간 범위와 잘 정의된 하단이 있었습니다. 저에게는 ES55와 ES60 조합이 제 설정에서 가장 잘 들립니다.

 

다른 포럼 참가자들이 최신 Extreme Stabilizer 제품에 대해 어떻게 생각하는지 궁금합니다.

 

내 시스템에도 55+60이 더 좋습니다.  single ​pc

 

Translation: 55+60 is better for my system too.

[fai3176]

It is a mistake?

 

in the .bat file

RAMHTC20ES55ES60

the line

 

 copy /y "C\MCTrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat"

 

it should be

 

copy /y "C:\TrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" ?

 

it's right?

[ts8]

It is a mistake?
 
in the .bat file
RAMHTC20ES55ES60
the line
 
 copy /y "C\MCTrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat"
 
it should be
 
copy /y "C:\TrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" ?
 
it's right?

Good student!

[BernieK]

 

It is a mistake?

 

in the .bat file

RAMHTC20ES55ES60

the line

 

 copy /y "C\MCTrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat"

 

it should be

 

copy /y "C:\TrustedClean5560Patch\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" H:\TrustedClean\MCTrustMultiNIdle.bat" ?

 

it's right?

 

 

Greetings all,

 

fai3176 is correct. I missed a typo in the RAMHTC20ES55ES60.cmd file. I have corrected the link in the original post (#4572 in this thread) and the new link is also posted here:

 

https://drive.google...?usp=share_link

 

Many thanks to fai3176 for spotting the typo (colour me embarassed).

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

[micika]

I don't use Trusted Clean. I use Process Lasso. These two should not be run together, TC author once wrote.

 

I find Power Profile managing through Process Lasso and Windows very useful. It tweaks sound considerably.  PL also allows me to tweak windows processes as I desire.

 

I run ES on a single machine. I have tried 55 and 59 together. There is some improvements, but more on the other side. ES59 because it has the best mids and 55 because of the highs and lows.

 

I find mixing two ES lame, for my taste. There is already too many options of tweaking in my head. Adding one more process with countless combinations is overwhelming.

 

Also, I find hard to believe that Orya meant to build this app as using two versions or more at once.

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I forgot to mention in my previous post.

 

Density of instruments in the mids is much bigger in ES56-ES61. This leads to better focus.

 

Instruments and vocals in 55 shine vertically.

[BernieK]

I don't use Trusted Clean. I use Process Lasso. These two should not be run together, TC author once wrote.

 

 

 

To clarify, you can use TrustedClean and Process Lasso as long as you start Process Lasso after TrustedClean has completely finished installing ES or you do not set Process Lasso to change TrustedClean's default CPU Priority for ES prior to running TrustedClean. Note that one of the TrustedClean setup options is to optimize Process Lasso indicating that both can be used under the right conditions.

[JazzDoc]

Greetings all,

 

fai3176 is correct. I missed a typo in the RAMHTC20ES55ES60.cmd file. I have corrected the link in the original post (#4572 in this thread) and the new link is also posted here:

 

https://drive.google...?usp=share_link

 

Many thanks to fai3176 for spotting the typo (colour me embarassed).

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie

 

Thanks Bernie and fai3176

[mrmovies]

Listening to some good music with ES55-60 combination , and most things specially details is a breath-taking improvement over my beloved MC246. could do better with a little bit more bass emphasis but I'm satisfied enough. 

Have tried later versions of MC and some ESs as well but non was quite there to replace my beloved MC246.

 

For now I stick to this combo for a while, before tempting myself testing future instances of ES.

 

Thank you everyone contributing to this : oryaaa , HB , BernieK and others.

[darkblood1984]

https://www.bilibili...eo/BV1wV4y1Q7PA

 

230329-ada8xr(fw)-s1c wck-845tube-Gryphon Pantheon-es59+61

[zaurux]

Oryaaa said :

 

ES61 = WindowsEventThread RDRAND + CuresEventThread SMSW by RDRAND setup

Function { InitSetup RDRAND postion ... Process SMSW position } effected.

Thank you for your review of the JPLAY forum.

ES61 adjusted to perform better than ES55+ES60

 

So, try only one instance of ES61.. 

[Khordo]

@Zaurux, any suggestion for user selection to start a single instance of ES ? Network or Local user ? 

[zaurux]

Currently it is with the "network" account but I think it sounds the same with other users. It is just necessary to use a "elevated" account.

My Gustard A26 speaks with grace (DSD256 via HQplayer).

[recepky]

hello guys

is there a working link to download latest MC or ES

I was away for a while, I couldnt find working download link

[BernieK]

NRBHESRWRSART_2023_0329_11.zip

 

When new versions are released, the links can be found under the Blog tab at this site:

 

 https://www.mics.ne....MajiorityClean/