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#161 aleg

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:55 PM

Jplay mini sounds better as it does with all but less convenient so good for "album" style listening. I run the control pc headless and remote in so using mini I always need a laptop to remote in.

I use monkeymote on an iphone or ipad with foobar for shuffle track listening to 16 bit.

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Just use the RD Client app from Microsoft on your iPad to connect to your headless, no need for a laptop to do so.
https://itunes.apple...d714464092?mt=8

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:33 PM

The Chaplin (Peter C) said:

Jplay mini sounds better as it does with all but less convenient so good for "album" style listening. I run the control pc headless and remote in so using mini I always need a laptop to remote in.

I use monkeymote on an iphone or ipad with foobar for shuffle track listening to 16 bit.

On my system I've yet to get Foobar working with "exact" clock on the Vega at high res > 96khz (24 bit) or DSD as I always get some drop out (gaps) at low Ultrasize (20, which I like for better resolution). Better USB cable has helped and I'm going to make some more with different designs (but always no +5v). May try reducing the ethernet cable length also (3m of cat 7 between audio and control pc).

It is strange, I use Vega driver and my audiopc is not more powerful than yours. I am not even using usb card yet (I will be getting jcat in a few months) and I do not get these blanks in playback. I am also using us=20 and directlink with all sample rates. I only get some drops (one or two in the first seconds) if I interrupt the playback with another song, but after some seconds it plays smooth.

I think you are right trying other cables, shorter as well, maybe this is the key. As ethernet I am only using a R&M cat6 1m cable and usb is Paul Pang blue series (1m).

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 08:17 PM

Now got 24 bit 96khz PCM playing without dropout in Foobar, set Preferences->Advanced->Playback->Thread Priority to 1 (was 7), using Jplay as ASIO driver. DSD and DST (using foo_dsd_asio then jplay for ASIO) are better but give one dropout in the first 5 seconds. I like the idea of DST to save space and still using DSD format to feed the DAC. DSD from Jplay mini is very good. Aleg, thanks, tried another remote desktop app (iRDP) a while a go (over a year!) which was not great but did not know Microsoft had one. loaded and running, could be good once I am used to it. Seems to support gestures, swiping from the right brings up the charms so the touch screen is implemented!

Edited by The Chaplin (Peter C), 29 May 2014 - 10:36 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:11 AM

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Aleg, thanks, tried another remote desktop app (iRDP) a while a go (over a year!) which was not great but did not know Microsoft had one. loaded and running, could be good once I am used to it. Seems to support gestures, swiping from the right brings up the charms so the touch screen is implemented!


Peter

If you touch the top bar you get a 'menu' with in the left corner a touch-button to switch between mouse pointer control and touch control.
I always use mouse pointer control because it is a bit more acourate for pointing and selecting on the smaller iPad screen than touch control.

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 02:28 AM

Just to add. Vega at exact clock setting is very sensitive to the cables and USB port u use. I had build diff length of cable using solid core silver of diff length. Found 1m doesn't work. Where as my 1.5m and 0.8m work without issue.

Recently I change it to the mother of all usb cable - Ansuz usb diamond. holly that drop the background noise to pitch black!

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 01:54 PM

What about the chord dacs e.g. the chordette 2qute? They are reviewed extremely positive. Does anyone have experience with chord dacs and jplay 6? Which settings are possible?



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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:47 AM

A new-comer for ultra-low budget USD 90.

 

x2 NDK clocks 45/49MHz, XMOS XU208, ES9018K2M

signed and customised Thesycon driver 4.14 for minimum latency setting

PCM384kHz/DSD256/DoP128, 32-bit

OP amp replaceable (DIP8)

 

Windows Server 2012R2 GUI

KS, ULTRAstream 350Hz/0.01sec for 44.1kHz/16-bit, 170Hz/0.01sec for DoP128

 

http://www.tpdz.net/...s/d10/index.htm



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:12 AM

Please do let us know order info and your impressions.
SinglePC Windows 2019 standard core + MinimServer + JPLAY Streamer + BubbleUPnP, BubbleDS. Plays only Red Book tracks and one track at a time. Pure magic, full of air and emotions, rich and colorful tonality, holographic body, details, organic bass, resembles a tube Neumann mic.

Alternative: SinglePC WS2019 standard core + local music library + Foobar2000, Foobar2000 controller Pro. Plays everything from Red Book to DSD, single tracks or playlists. A solid all around player that resembles a Shure or Rode mic.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:31 AM

Please do let us know order info and your impressions

Sure.  I have paid and am waiting for delivery, which is expected in 10 days maximum.

Massdrop price is said to be USD 75. 

https://www.massdrop...buy/topping-d10

I bought mine from www.audiophonics.fr to avoid paying unpredictable tax.

I will get MUSES02 as well for replacement.



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Posted 21 March 2018 - 08:49 AM

A new-comer for ultra-low budget USD 90.

 

x2 NDK clocks 45/49MHz, XMOS XU208, ES9018K2M

signed and customised Thesycon driver 4.14 for minimum latency setting

PCM384kHz/DSD256/DoP128, 32-bit

OP amp replaceable (DIP8)

 

Windows Server 2012R2 GUI

KS, ULTRAstream 350Hz/0.01sec for 44.1kHz/16-bit, 170Hz/0.01sec for DoP128

 

http://www.tpdz.net/...s/d10/index.htm

It came yesterday.  I ordered the OP amp MUSES02 for replacement but it has not arrived yet.
Even with the original OP amp, its performance is amazing.  You can never guess its selling price from the sound.

 

My JPLAY reference system (both i5, WS2012R2 GUI + WS2016 Server core, x2 NET Card FEMTO, x1 USB Card FEMTO) with Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 DDC (also with XMOS XU208) is quite stable with all the input formats up to DoP256 under KS/ULTRAstream/700Hz/0.01sec, set to minimum latency and 64 samples in the driver appliation.

 

No wonder D10 is also stable under the same setting, as the XMOS chip is identical and both Windows drivers are basically the same (4.14 and 4.12).

DoP256 is not supported by D10, although Topping home page says it is.

With smaller numbers of DAC Link frequency, D10 sounds dull and its sound is cheap reflecting its price, for example, 20Hz/1sec.

 

D10 operates with USB bus power.  Using the JCAT USB Isolator is no problem at all.

 

DSD256 RAW (native) via foobar2000 with Super Audio CD Decoder component as well as DSD Transcoder is also quite stable with Topping ASIO driver (= Thesycon).

 

D10 with Linux MPD sounds dynamically, in some sense more dynamic than Windows.  My current Linux settings are not capable of playing DSD RAW with D10.  WAV files sound with lots of energy and the sound stage is coming forward.

 

D10 has a coax and optical digital output up to PCM192kHz.  There is no output of DoP64 as PCM176.4kHz.  When I connect its coax output to my ES9038PRO DAC, the sound stage becomes thicker and more elegant, which relieves me, for my DAC costs x20 times as much as D10.

 

For those who have an "old" DAC regardless of its price or even a relatively new one but without built-in XMOS USB interface, D10 might be a killer.

 

The AliExpress spring sale starting next week gives a very nice price of USD 75, the same as Massdrop but without waiting time.

 

I will update when the OP amp MUSES02 has come.



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Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:08 AM

It seems for the price and the feature set it is a very nice device indeed. 



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Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:17 PM

It came yesterday.  I ordered the OP amp MUSES02 for replacement but it has not arrived yet.
Even with the original OP amp, its performance is amazing.  You can never guess its selling price from the sound.

 

My JPLAY reference system (both i5, WS2012R2 GUI + WS2016 Server core, x2 NET Card FEMTO, x1 USB Card FEMTO) with Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 DDC (also with XMOS XU208) is quite stable with all the input formats up to DoP256 under KS/ULTRAstream/700Hz/0.01sec, set to minimum latency and 64 samples in the driver appliation.

 

No wonder D10 is also stable under the same setting, as the XMOS chip is identical and both Windows drivers are basically the same (4.14 and 4.12).

DoP256 is not supported by D10, although Topping home page says it is.

With smaller numbers of DAC Link frequency, D10 sounds dull and its sound is cheap reflecting its price, for example, 20Hz/1sec.

 

D10 operates with USB bus power.  Using the JCAT USB Isolator is no problem at all.

 

DSD256 RAW (native) via foobar2000 with Super Audio CD Decoder component as well as DSD Transcoder is also quite stable with Topping ASIO driver (= Thesycon).

 

D10 with Linux MPD sounds dynamically, in some sense more dynamic than Windows.  My current Linux settings are not capable of playing DSD RAW with D10.  WAV files sound with lots of energy and the sound stage is coming forward.

 

D10 has a coax and optical digital output up to PCM192kHz.  There is no output of DoP64 as PCM176.4kHz.  When I connect its coax output to my ES9038PRO DAC, the sound stage becomes thicker and more elegant, which relieves me, for my DAC costs x20 times as much as D10.

 

For those who have an "old" DAC regardless of its price or even a relatively new one but without built-in XMOS USB interface, D10 might be a killer.

 

The AliExpress spring sale starting next week gives a very nice price of USD 75, the same as Massdrop but without waiting time.

 

I will update when the OP amp MUSES02 has come.

Can you tell more about the performance of the combination matrix x-sabre pro and x-spdif?


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Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:51 PM

Can you tell more about the performance of the combination matrix x-sabre pro and x-spdif?

Note that there is another product called X-SPDIF.  What I own is X-SPDIF 2.
Read my post in Head-fi and the following ones by ArthurPower, the North America distributor of Matrix Audio.
https://www.head-fi....3#post-14060064



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Posted 03 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

It came yesterday.  I ordered the OP amp MUSES02 for replacement but it has not arrived yet.
Even with the original OP amp, its performance is amazing.  You can never guess its selling price from the sound.

 

My JPLAY reference system (both i5, WS2012R2 GUI + WS2016 Server core, x2 NET Card FEMTO, x1 USB Card FEMTO) with Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 DDC (also with XMOS XU208) is quite stable with all the input formats up to DoP256 under KS/ULTRAstream/700Hz/0.01sec, set to minimum latency and 64 samples in the driver appliation.

 

No wonder D10 is also stable under the same setting, as the XMOS chip is identical and both Windows drivers are basically the same (4.14 and 4.12).

DoP256 is not supported by D10, although Topping home page says it is.

With smaller numbers of DAC Link frequency, D10 sounds dull and its sound is cheap reflecting its price, for example, 20Hz/1sec.

 

D10 operates with USB bus power.  Using the JCAT USB Isolator is no problem at all.

 

DSD256 RAW (native) via foobar2000 with Super Audio CD Decoder component as well as DSD Transcoder is also quite stable with Topping ASIO driver (= Thesycon).

 

D10 with Linux MPD sounds dynamically, in some sense more dynamic than Windows.  My current Linux settings are not capable of playing DSD RAW with D10.  WAV files sound with lots of energy and the sound stage is coming forward.

 

D10 has a coax and optical digital output up to PCM192kHz.  There is no output of DoP64 as PCM176.4kHz.  When I connect its coax output to my ES9038PRO DAC, the sound stage becomes thicker and more elegant, which relieves me, for my DAC costs x20 times as much as D10.

 

For those who have an "old" DAC regardless of its price or even a relatively new one but without built-in XMOS USB interface, D10 might be a killer.

 

The AliExpress spring sale starting next week gives a very nice price of USD 75, the same as Massdrop but without waiting time.

 

I will update when the OP amp MUSES02 has come.

Minorisuke and others,

 

Here is a recent review of the Topping from an owner over at Polk Audio:

 

http://forum.polkaud...-d10-usb-dac/p2


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:00 AM

Another new-comer with ES9038Q2M dual mono, balaned output, official driver with latency settings, certified by Japan Audio Association "HiRes"

 

SMSL SU-8: USD199.99 (the current offer until 16 July)

https://www.massdrop...y/smsl-su-8-dac






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