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#1 JazzDoc

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 12:44 AM

At present I store my music on four external 2TB USB drives. I also have an additional four drives for backup. All drives are connected to my PC (I am running Single PC at present) via a powered USB hub. This means that I have a mass of untidy cables in the listening room, in close proximity to my equipment rack. Software on my system is JPLAY Femto/AO3 Beta/Fidelizer Pro/Process Lasso.

 

Although I haven't looked into it seriously, I am wondering whether or not subscribing to a service like Qobuz would provide a viable alternative to storage on external USB drives. I presume that Qobuz would offer streaming at 16/44 and hopefully, at higher resolutions. Would there be any degradation in sound quality if I used a subscription service and would I have to have my PC connected to the router via Ethernet cable or would a wireless connection suffice? I already have an Ethernet cable running under carpeting to my home office. I guess I could connect a second Ethernet cable to run my computer audio setup but would prefer not to. As I intend to move home in the not too distant future, I don't want the trouble of setting up anything too permanent for the time being. I would perhaps like to retain a single external USB drive if I went the streaming route, to store albums that were not available via streaming.

 

I presume that JPLAY and my other software can be made to work with a streaming service. Is it easy to set up and if so, how does one set about doing it?

 

I should be grateful for any experience that friends on the JPLAY Forum can share.

 

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 06:38 AM

I personally use streaming services only for checking new albums. For normal listening I always use local files, because  the difference in sound quality is so huge in my system & to my ears. 


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Posted 13 May 2019 - 08:56 AM

Thanks Marcin. If streaming degrades sound quality then I'll pass


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Posted 13 May 2019 - 11:47 AM

I personally use streaming services only for checking new albums. For normal listening I always use local files, because  the difference in sound quality is so huge in my system & to my ears.


True. Local files play with more "oomph", more air, more body, more analog.
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 02:25 PM

True. Local files play with more "oomph", more air, more body, more analog.

 

Exact same experience here.

 

However, interestingly enough, see:

https://www.youtube....h?v=E9IatfkVh3k

 

Anyone compared local playback with streaming + net card Femto?

 

I never tried net card Femto myself, probably as I already invested in optical isolation.


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted 13 May 2019 - 03:55 PM

Exact same experience here.

 

However, interestingly enough, see:

https://www.youtube....h?v=E9IatfkVh3k

 

Anyone compared local playback with streaming + net card Femto?

 

I never tried net card Femto myself, probably as I already invested in optical isolation.

 

That's what I'm using and my opinion  is  unchanged. It is obviously better with the NET Card for streaming, the gap is smaller, but I still prefer local files. 

 

Regards, 

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 04:18 PM

Anyone compared local playback with streaming + net card Femto?

I never tried net card Femto myself, probably as I already invested in optical isolation.

I do, in addition to Marcin. Given various optimizations of local network including net card Femto, Qobuz streaming sounds pretty good. But rivaling local files playback it is not. Streaming seems to lack the last iota of musicality that the local files playback possesses. In all fairness, and given lack of identical local files for comparison, streaming can be a good alternative. When my setup gets upgraded to a more revealing one, the gap will surely be wider.

I haven't tried Tidal yet, have a hunch but can't speculate here.
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 06:06 PM

Hello, I did compare local playback against streaming with Tidal on a single PC before I had Jplay and local playback sounded better,
If that is any help.
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 09:28 PM

That's what I'm using and my opinion  is  unchanged. It is obviously better with the NET Card for streaming, the gap is smaller, but I still prefer local files. 

 

Regards, 

Marcin

 

Interesting. And do you also prefer playing local files to playing from a NAS on the same LAN?


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 09:06 AM

Interesting. And do you also prefer playing local files to playing from a NAS on the same LAN?

i do not use NAS in my system. Last time I checked, I preferred the files loaded directly from a PC with JPLAY. 

 

Regards, 

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:42 PM

i do not use NAS in my system. Last time I checked, I preferred the files loaded directly from a PC with JPLAY. 

 

Regards, 

Marcin

 

Thanks Marcin.

Anyone else?

In my setup I prefer local files to files from NAS, but that is without net card Femto.


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU





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