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#1 rocketiii

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:45 AM

I have a dedicated 2-PC installation with JPLAY FEMTO / WS2003/ AO running well at 1000Hz DAC Link. I use Arcam MusicLife remote app (works ok but can’t get library images).

I am interested in the Qobuz Hi-Res streaming service but don’t understand if/how it will work with JPLAY FEMTO. I see the JPLAY manual mentions Roon/Qobuz but I don’t see how it works.

With my limited knowledge it would be very helpful to hear from anyone who has Qobuz Hi-Res working with JPLAY FEMTO and the steps needed to achieve this.
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:42 PM

I have a dedicated 2-PC installation with JPLAY FEMTO / WS2003/ AO running well at 1000Hz DAC Link. I use Arcam MusicLife remote app (works ok but can’t get library images).

I am interested in the Qobuz Hi-Res streaming service but don’t understand if/how it will work with JPLAY FEMTO. I see the JPLAY manual mentions Roon/Qobuz but I don’t see how it works.

With my limited knowledge it would be very helpful to hear from anyone who has Qobuz Hi-Res working with JPLAY FEMTO and the steps needed to achieve this.

Qobuz with JPLAY FEMTO is possible via:

a) Bubble UPnP on Android

B) mConnect on iOS

 

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 02:20 PM

Thanks Marcin. Wow that was easy! Downloaded Mconnect and subscribed to Qobuz and now have hi-res files streaming. Sounds very good. Thanks again.
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#4 Marcin_gps

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 02:28 PM

Thanks Marcin. Wow that was easy! Downloaded Mconnect and subscribed to Qobuz and now have hi-res files streaming. Sounds very good. Thanks again.

You're welcome :)


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 07:33 PM

1/ I have BubbleUPnP on Android
2/ I've subscribed to Qbus
3/ I'm running JPLAY FEMTO on dualPC

Yet I don't know how to play Qbus streamed music with JPLAY FEMTO on my stereo setup. Please teach me.

P.S. Got it. Able to play up to CD quality, not sure how to get hi-res. Pay more?

Got that too. For $5 over CD quality, you get hi-res.

I'd always been playing from local disks, so this is my very first time streaming experience. Very nice!

Playing via JPLAY FEMTO up to 24/192 now, sounding pretty darn good without the burden of storage. Hats off again and again to Marcin and JPLAY Team.
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Posted 10 May 2019 - 08:49 AM

1/ I have BubbleUPnP on Android
2/ I've subscribed to Qbus
3/ I'm running JPLAY FEMTO on dualPC

Yet I don't know how to play Qbus streamed music with JPLAY FEMTO on my stereo setup. Please teach me.

P.S. Got it. Able to play up to CD quality, not sure how to get hi-res. Pay more?

Got that too. For $5 over CD quality, you get hi-res.

I'd always been playing from local disks, so this is my very first time streaming experience. Very nice!

Playing via JPLAY FEMTO up to 24/192 now, sounding pretty darn good without the burden of storage. Hats off again and again to Marcin and JPLAY Team.

Yes, you need a Sublime plan for hi-rez Qobuz streams

Good to hear  you got it working


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Posted 13 May 2019 - 08:17 AM

the dowloaded files from qobuz have better sound with femto than same files streamed from qobuz


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Posted 26 May 2019 - 10:32 AM

@alain. When making this comparison, where do you store downloaded files - on the AudioPC or on a NAS?

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 06:25 PM

the dowloaded files from qobuz have better sound with femto than same files streamed from qobuz


How do they compare to local files? My guess is almost the same.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 07:28 PM

Sorry, I was in travel...

Files are on NAS. The differences are big: clarity, space ...


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 10:43 PM

Good to hear.  Apparently you've taken good care of LAN and music servers.


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 04:47 AM

and i use minimserver / bubble



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Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:08 AM

Hello,this is my first post and I'm new to JPLAY (using the trial version) and excited to test it out.  Do I need 3rd party software to playback for Qoboz and from my NAS?  When I read about Bubble it says for Android, but I'm using a Windows 10 PC and no Android devices.

 

I see JPLAYmini was installed with JPLAY Femto, but it is just a notepad type player and want something a little sleeker to use, I also have an old license  for JRiver, but it is at least 3 or 4 versions old at this time and have not insalled it yet (this is a new PC build) and I would like to try something else at this point, but if it will work with JPlay Femto clock I can use that ... but is there a better alternative?

 

I read the manual, but I don't feel it covers this well, so my 3 questions are:

 

1. Do I need 3rd party software to playback for Qoboz and from my NAS? 

 

2. When I read about Bubble it says for Android, but I'm using a Windows 10 PC and no Android devices can Bubble still be used or is there a better option for Windows?

 

3. During the installation I input the wrong folder of where my music is stored, how can I direct JPLAY to the correct folder as I did not see that in the JPLAYsettings options?

 

My setup is:

 

Windows 10 PC (USB out to) > McIntosh D100 DAC (USB in) > McIntosh C220 Preamp (RCA out) > Decware Taboo MK II Amplifier (RCA in) > Omega Super 7 Loudspeakers.  I'm using a WD MyCloud NAS for music and video storage and Samsung 65" HDTV used as a monitor.

 

Thanks  in advance for yout time!

 

p.s. I may try Roon in the future, but I want to buy JPLAY first if I like it and can't afford both at one time.



#14 Marcin_gps

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 08:28 AM

Hello and  welcome, 

 

1. A remote app is required and for Qobuz only these 2 work: Bubble UPnP (Android) & mconnect (iOS). It is possible to use Qobuz with Kazoo on Windows, but it's a bit complicated. The procedure is explained in ths article: https://www.hifizine...e-raspberry-pi/

 

3. The easiest way is to reinstall JPLAY

 

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#15 miketsa

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:01 AM

I think many would benefit from some more detail on this. 

 

Qubuz is not only steaming music.  It is also caching locally and can even download a copy so you can listen even when offline.  Both are DRM protected and cannot be accessed unless you have an active subscription.  Their Windows desktop app, has settings about where the cache is located (C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Qobuz\tmp\Cache\) and where the downloaded files live (C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Qobuz\tmp\Import\). They also let you set the resolution up to 24-bit/192KHz.

 

How would I use JPlay Fempto to play Qobuz streams and chahed/download music from t he same optimzed PC as the Qobuz app.  Not via a remote phone or tablet.  If I did that, I would have to stream to  the phone from Qobuz and, send the stream to JPlay in the PC to pay?  But this would mean a) I could not use the PC based HiRes caches and B) I wold have to send the files from the phone to the PC via wifi which defeats all the optimizations...

 

So how does ths  setup works?

 

Thanks in advance and apologies for my ignorance!



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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:22 AM

I think many would benefit from some more detail on this. 

 

Qubuz is not only steaming music.  It is also caching locally and can even download a copy so you can listen even when offline.  Both are DRM protected and cannot be accessed unless you have an active subscription.  Their Windows desktop app, has settings about where the cache is located (C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Qobuz\tmp\Cache\) and where the downloaded files live (C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Qobuz\tmp\Import\). They also let you set the resolution up to 24-bit/192KHz.

 

How would I use JPlay Fempto to play Qobuz streams and chahed/download music from t he same optimzed PC as the Qobuz app.  Not via a remote phone or tablet.  If I did that, I would have to stream to  the phone from Qobuz and, send the stream to JPlay in the PC to pay?  But this would mean a) I could not use the PC based HiRes caches and B) I wold have to send the files from the phone to the PC via wifi which defeats all the optimizations...

 

So how does ths  setup works?

 

Thanks in advance and apologies for my ignorance!

JPLAY FEMTO can play Qobuz streams only via Bubble UPnP on Android and mConnect on iOS. The Qobuz desktop app doesn't support JPLAY FEMTO.  


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#17 miketsa

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:44 AM

I am a Qobuz Sublime+ subscriber for years.  The question is if JPLAY FEMPTO can actually improve sound quality vs the native Qobuz app and why.  If you run the native app in a dedicated audio PC, you have your music (either purchased or under subscription) downloaded and cached in the local disk of audio PC. With the Sublime+ subscription you can download all the HiRes you want.   That way, you don't actually "stream" anything when you play back the music.  You just play it from the local cache - a huge performance advantage.

 

I guess you can benefit if you use the JPLAY ASIO driver for the Qobuz app to send the music to the DAC over that driver assuming that it is better than your native DAC ASIO  or WASAPI driver.  But you cannot use the JPLAY FEMPTO renderer for downloaded music under subscription because that is DRMed and can only be read by  the Qobuz native app that can validate that your subscription is active and get a key to unlock it.  You can only use FEMPTO for downloaded purchased music which is not locked.

 

If as you suggest, you can only use Bubble UPnP or mConnect to send streams to the JPLAY FEMPTO rederer, then IMO you would suffer from two mortal audio quality sins:

 

  1. You render plays streams instead of locally cached music (which adds all the streaming delays and overhead)
  2. The streams actually go to your UPnP control device first and then redirected to the JPLAY FEMTO renderer PC over wifi??? (which adds wifi delay and noise)?

So would your music actually sound better under these circumstances?  My guess is not really?



#18 Marcin_gps

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 09:07 AM

It can improve Qobuz stream, because it's played via our ultra optimized engine. The track is downloaded from Qobuz directly to the PC with JPLAY FEMTO

 

I'd recommend you to download free trial version and listen. 


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