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#1 bodiebill

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 10:24 AM

Looking at the trinity: Control Point - Media Server - Renderer, we all know that the latter can have a great impact on sound quality. Also, most will agree that the control point can make a difference in that respect.

 

So how about the Media Server? With all other things being equal, can switching from one Media Server to the other change the sound? Of course I tried myself, and I think I hear some difference between

 

   BubbleUPnP - FEMTOserver - JPLAY FEMTO

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   BubbleUPnP - JR MC24 (running on another pc than the renderer) - JPLAY FEMTO

 

But I could be wrong...


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 10:33 AM

Of course, otherwise we wouldn't even look at creating JPLAY femtoServer... :)



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Posted 05 December 2018 - 01:06 PM

In my setup the best result so far is Audirvana+ on a Windows PC functioning as control point and media server, and streaming upsampled material to JPLAY FEMTO on a minimised Server 2016 core PC, optimised with AO and FP. This sounds more detailed and musical than BubbleUPnP => FEMTOserver => JPLAY FEMTO.

Maybe this has to do with BubbleUnP vs Audirvana?

Or with the fact that I cannot fully use AO optimisation if I want to map FEMTOserver to my NAS?

Next thing I might try is hooking up a usb drive with (a backup of my) Music Library to the FEMTO PC. In that case I need a long usb cable so that I can put the drive in another room. It is otherwise too noisy.


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xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 01:21 PM

In my setup the best result so far is Audirvana+ on a Windows PC functioning as control point and media server, and streaming upsampled material to JPLAY FEMTO ....

Can you play DSD files?



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Posted 05 December 2018 - 02:51 PM

In my setup the best result so far is Audirvana+ on a Windows PC functioning as control point and media server, and streaming upsampled material to JPLAY FEMTO on a minimised Server 2016 core PC, optimised with AO and FP. This sounds more detailed and musical than BubbleUPnP => FEMTOserver => JPLAY FEMTO.
Maybe this has to do with BubbleUnP vs Audirvana?
Or with the fact that I cannot fully use AO optimisation if I want to map FEMTOserver to my NAS?
Next thing I might try is hooking up a usb drive with (a backup of my) Music Library to the FEMTO PC. In that case I need a long usb cable so that I can put the drive in another room. It is otherwise too noisy.


It just proves what Marcin said, the more powerful control point is, the better SQ will be. Having been using BubbleUPnP for a while, I should try running a control point on a 3rd PC.
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:04 PM

Yes, you could try but can't install Bubble UPnP on a pc, can you? What control point are you going to install? Kinsky? It is not stable and I am not sure it would sound better.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:06 PM

Can you play DSD files?

 

The short answer: no, unless I convert it to PCM.

 

The long answer: yes, using two setups:

 

(1) Audirvana+ => DSD256 => Linux machine with MPD => Amanero / Lampizator DAC

(2) Audirvana+ => PCM176 => Server 2016 core machine with FEMTO => Audio Aéro DAC

 

The first natively plays DSD, or converts PCM to DSD.

The second converts DSD to PCM.

 

I like to switch between the two as I am fond of both – quite different – sound signatures.

 

With the current combination of Amanero firmware and driver I can only play DSD on the Linux machine, not on Windows. 


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:12 PM

It just proves what Marcin said, the more powerful control point is, the better SQ will be. Having been using BubbleUPnP for a while, I should try running a control point on a 3rd PC.

 

In that case, I am looking forward to your findings :-)

 

By the way, I don't think that Audirvana+ allows for a separate media server, but (@taxman2) something like UPPlay does, I believe.


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:59 PM

By the way, I don't think that Audirvana+ allows for a separate media server, but (@taxman2) something like UPPlay does, I believe.

 

Upplay + Femtoserver + FEMTO is sounding terrific here. A bit better than Upplay + Minimserver + FEMTO.


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:10 PM

Lousy interface! Use JPlay mini with the same effect.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:07 AM

The short answer: no, unless I convert it to PCM.
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Thank you for your reply.
I wanted to know if Audirvana Plus + JPLAY FEMTO DLNA renderer plays DSD now, but your environment does not allow you to test this.

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 07:05 PM

Yes, you could try but can't install Bubble UPnP on a pc, can you? What control point are you going to install? Kinsky? It is not stable and I am not sure it would sound better.

With Memu, an android emulator, you can use Bubble UPnP on a PC.  For this it is important to activate bridget network within Bubble UPnP.



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 05:51 AM

In my setup the best result so far is Audirvana+ on a Windows PC functioning as control point and media server, and streaming upsampled material to JPLAY FEMTO on a minimised Server 2016 core PC, optimised with AO and FP. This sounds more detailed and musical than BubbleUPnP => FEMTOserver => JPLAY FEMTO.
Maybe this has to do with BubbleUnP vs Audirvana?
Or with the fact that I cannot fully use AO optimisation if I want to map FEMTOserver to my NAS?
Next thing I might try is hooking up a usb drive with (a backup of my) Music Library to the FEMTO PC. In that case I need a long usb cable so that I can put the drive in another room. It is otherwise too noisy.


Hi, are you still using Audirvana + ?
I installed the trial version on a laptop and like the GUI and features... sounds great too (as far as I can tell from the laptop speakers)...
I have not time yet to build a control PC to test... been traveling for work the past few months... so was wondering if you still think this better in your system..
Thanks !

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

Hi, are you still using Audirvana + ?
I installed the trial version on a laptop and like the GUI and features... sounds great too (as far as I can tell from the laptop speakers)...
I have not time yet to build a control PC to test... been traveling for work the past few months... so was wondering if you still think this better in your system..
Thanks !

 

yes I do: A+ sounds great and many upsampling possibilities...


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xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted Today, 10:46 AM

Any updates? :o

On my server PC (with Windows 10) I have two Ethernet cards, one of which dedicated only to the connection with the audio PC (where there is Windows Server 2016 with Audiophile Optimizer), for use with Jplay.

I followed the Damien's advice on the Audirvana forum (i.e. to temporarily disable the dedicated card and then reactivate it after starting Audirvana) and I managed to use Jplay Femto with Audirvana.

 

The problem however is that I can't play music in DSD format, neither by activating the fixed upsampling to DSD (both 128 and 256) nor by completely disabling the upsampling; in this second case I can reproduce only the PCM files.

 

My DAC is a T + a DAC 8 DSD, and due to the limitations of the Amanero driver (as explained in the Jplay manual), I can only set the values of DAC Link at 20 or 45 Hz in Jplay settings.

I tried both with KS and with ASIO, but without success. The Clock is set to 0, 5ms.

 

Instead with Upplay (or mconnect) and Jplay Femto, I can play native files in dsd128, for example.

Any ideas?

Has anyone managed to use Audirvana+ for Windows with Jplay Femto in a dual PC system by setting upsampling in DSD?

Thanks


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Posted Today, 03:41 PM

Same problem here, and Marcin is aware of it: http://jplay.eu/foru...e-15#entry45325

 

Audirvana+ and JPLAY Femto is a great combination for PCM, but I did not succeed playing DSD with it so far.

Has anyone else been more successful?


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted Today, 04:17 PM

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Audirvana+ and JPLAY Femto is a great combination for PCM, but I did not succeed playing DSD with it so far.

Has anyone else been more successful?

What I found out is that [Audirvana Plus] -> [foobar2000 UPnP renderer] worked fine both for PCM and DSD, as well as [foobar2000 UPnP output] --> [JPLAY FEMTO renderer].

[Audirvana Plus] --> [foobar2000 UPnP renderer + UPnP output] --> [JPLAY FEMTO renderer] works for DSD but the sound quality is terribly bad.



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Posted Today, 06:19 PM

What I found out is that [Audirvana Plus] -> [foobar2000 UPnP renderer] worked fine both for PCM and DSD, as well as [foobar2000 UPnP output] --> [JPLAY FEMTO renderer].

[Audirvana Plus] --> [foobar2000 UPnP renderer + UPnP output] --> [JPLAY FEMTO renderer] works for DSD but the sound quality is terribly bad.

 

Thanks Minorisuke, interesting. So I hope Marcin and Damien will continue to talk to each other... 


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU





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