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#1 ellisdj

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:45 PM

I would be interested in what people think of this.

I used to use win 8 with CAD scripts for optimisation.

Now using WS2016 GUI mode I am concerned about setting up WS2016 in core mode

So today I tried the CAD desktop services killer and shell killer that were designed for win 8 to shutdown major resouce hogs after pc boot. They worked great on win 8

They needed a slight edit but work perfectly with WS2016.

This is complimenting AO fidelizer and process lasso but I think its made WS2016 GUI sound much better.

Has anyone else tried this??

#2 BernieK

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

Hi ellisdj,

 

Interesting find, I'd like to give it a try. Can you detail the "slight edit" you did to get it to work in WS2016, please.

 

Thanks,

 

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Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.0.17; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.3.3.1; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 22H2 (build 22621.3007), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.7.1.

Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs run headless (monitor, keyboard and mouse disconnected).
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ES151 as Local Service via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk on Control and Audio-PCs (TC settings used are detailed in in the TC3.1 guide below). Process Lasso Server Edition 14.0.1.10, additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For the full optimization procedure see my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 5 July 2023).

RAM Disk: Download guide for automatically creating a RAM Disk and using TrustedClean 3.1 to install MC, LE, or ES as a service here (8 Nov 2023).

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 11.4.9.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.

Dual PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel 1590C > 2m Mogami NEGLEX RCA to XLR cable with Neutrik connectors) > March Audio P501 Monoblocks with Purifi 1ET7040SA modules > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board. 

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2).


#3 ellisdj

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:00 PM

I can do bernie mate when back in front on the pc.
You csn get both to work with no edits but with a couple of edits they work better headless if that makes sense.

For me its a much less digital sound

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:45 AM

I'm not running any PCs headless, but will wait to see your edits before I give it a try.


Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.0.17; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.3.3.1; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 22H2 (build 22621.3007), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.7.1.

Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs run headless (monitor, keyboard and mouse disconnected).
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ES151 as Local Service via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk on Control and Audio-PCs (TC settings used are detailed in in the TC3.1 guide below). Process Lasso Server Edition 14.0.1.10, additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For the full optimization procedure see my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 5 July 2023).

RAM Disk: Download guide for automatically creating a RAM Disk and using TrustedClean 3.1 to install MC, LE, or ES as a service here (8 Nov 2023).

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 11.4.9.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.

Dual PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel 1590C > 2m Mogami NEGLEX RCA to XLR cable with Neutrik connectors) > March Audio P501 Monoblocks with Purifi 1ET7040SA modules > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board. 

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2).


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:55 AM

+1


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


#6 ellisdj

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:38 AM

If you not running headless then you dont need the edits.

The desktop services killer for some reason asks a yes / no question about the 2nd optimisation.

 

the script code needs a / yes added to that line to get the script to answer yes to the question - however you can just answer yes yourself.

 

The shell killer tries to load the JRiver server - this throws up a error box which I am sure makes no difference to sound.

But being an ocd audiophile I deleted that part of that line in the code so the script shuts down the services and doesnt throw up the error box.

You can just click ok in the error box and it goes away.

 

Obviously I wanted these things to happen auto as I run the pc headless 



#7 BernieK

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:49 AM

Thanks!


Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.0.17; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.3.3.1; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 22H2 (build 22621.3007), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.7.1.

Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs run headless (monitor, keyboard and mouse disconnected).
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ES151 as Local Service via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk on Control and Audio-PCs (TC settings used are detailed in in the TC3.1 guide below). Process Lasso Server Edition 14.0.1.10, additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For the full optimization procedure see my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 5 July 2023).

RAM Disk: Download guide for automatically creating a RAM Disk and using TrustedClean 3.1 to install MC, LE, or ES as a service here (8 Nov 2023).

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 11.4.9.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.

Dual PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel 1590C > 2m Mogami NEGLEX RCA to XLR cable with Neutrik connectors) > March Audio P501 Monoblocks with Purifi 1ET7040SA modules > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board. 

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2).


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 08:53 AM

Thanks indeed. I now have a customized 'headless' version of the desktop services killer script running at startup on my audio PC.

 

I am reluctant to try the "CAD Windows 8 Audio Optimization V2_6a" script, because it would make persistent changes to the PC, and might interfere with the Audiophile Optimizer settings.


xigmanas or local hd => Streacom FC8 PC i7 16GB RAM Windows 10, Audirvana+ / HQPlayer => optically isolated ethernet => either DSD256 => renderer HDPlex H1.S i3 8GB RAM powered by SBooster 19V with GentooPlayer (Linux), mpd+upmpdcli or NAA, ramdisk => Regen USB=> Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Lampizator Lite 7 Amanero or PCM 176kHz => i5 8GB Server 2016 core, AO, FP, JPLAY FEMTO => Regen USB => Lush^2 => SOtM tX-USBhubEX => Lush^1 => Audiophilleo 1 => Audio Aéro Prestige => Lightspeed Attenuator => power amp Cayin A-88T (modified) => speakers Spendor SP100 + 2x REL T5  / Taket H2 + TR2 / Hifiman HE-6; HDPlex LPSU


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:08 AM

Bodiebill - they do a lot of the same things mate - I wouldnt run both to be honest I dont think that is needed.

 

The CAD script turns off a lot more than AO - so I am manually looking to shut down some extra services from WS2016.

 

I have so far disabled 2 more services but I still have 20 running after the CAD Desktop services killer.

In Win 8 I used to have only 20 services running before the Shell Killer so I am confident there are more than can be disabled but I haven't had the chance to try.

 

I am not keen on stating again if I cock something up :)

 

I think the CAD shell Killer that shuts down windows explorer and ultimately puts your pc into a pure music only state has a bigger effect on sound quality - for obvious reasons gets it more into a WS2016 Core situation with no gui resource hog 



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:34 AM

Just seen BernieK thread where he has run the full CAD script as well so maybe that does work and I am wrong in the post above 



#11 BernieK

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:55 AM

Hi Bodiebill,

 

As ellisdj has pointed out, there clearly are overlaps between the CAD scripts and AO.

 

However, for WS2016 GUI mode, if, after running AO, you run the two CAD scripts (Windows 8.1 Audio Optimization script and the Desktop Services Killer script) followed by termination of Windows Explorer in Task Manager, you can disable a further 40-49% of the processes/threads/handles not terminated by AO (see "How to Switch From GUI Mode To A Near-Core Mode In Windows Server 2016"). Thus I would suggest running both AO and the CAD scripts. I assume that if you also run the CAD Shell Killer script you would reduce the number of running processes even further, although you wouldn't be able to check.

 

I would also suggest using the Windows 8.1 (not 8) CAD scripts. When you download the Widows 8.1 versions, you also get a "Windows 8.1 Return to Original Settings” script that should allow a restoration of the pre-CAD optimization state. As ellisdj suggested, if you are reversing the optimization, it would also be a good idea to restore the drivers and services using the AO Service Tool, and then run AO again.

 

Cheers,

 

Bernie


Control Point: Apple iPad (9th gen), 64Gb storage, 3Gb RAM, JPLAY for iOS 1.0.17; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite, 128Gb storage, 4Gb RAM, Bubble UPnP 4.3.3.1; Dell Inspiron 15 5510 laptop (Windows 11 Professional (x64) Version 22H2 (build 22621.3007), Intel Core i7-11390H, 2.93 GHz, 512Gb KIOXIA M2 PCIe NVMe (RAID) SSD, 16Gb DDR4 3200 MHz RAM), Upplay 1.7.1.

Control and Audio-PCs: Asus Mini PC PN60, Intel Core i5 8250U 1.6 GHz, 250Gb Kingston A2000 M2 NVMe SSD and 8Gb DDR4 2400 MHz RAM.

OS: Windows Server 2019 (Standard Edition) in highly optimized Desktop mode, command prompt shell for initial setup after which Control and Audio-PCs run headless (monitor, keyboard and mouse disconnected).
Optimization: Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, ES151 as Local Service via TrustedClean 3.1b-server on RAM Disk on Control and Audio-PCs (TC settings used are detailed in in the TC3.1 guide below). Process Lasso Server Edition 14.0.1.10, additional Windows processes/services stopped via registry editor, task manager and a modified CAD DSK script. For the full optimization procedure see my Guide for Optimizing WS2019 in a Dual or Single PC JPLAY Femto-Based System (revised 5 July 2023).

RAM Disk: Download guide for automatically creating a RAM Disk and using TrustedClean 3.1 to install MC, LE, or ES as a service here (8 Nov 2023).

Renderer: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D UPnP (Alternative version), Server: JPLAY FEMTO 7.0D femtoServer, File Manager: Q-Dir 11.4.9.0, Library Manager: JRiver MC 32.0.6.
JPLAY Settings: Playing via: KS, Engine: ULTRAstream, Bitstream: Native, Bitperfect Volume: OFF, DAC Link: 1000, XtreamSize: 1000, Throttle: ON, Hibernate Mode: ON.

Dual PC Equipment Configuration: Control Point Tablet/Laptop > WiFi > Control-PC > 1m SUPRA Cat 8 Ethernet Cable > Audio-PC > 3m Chord C-USB Cable > Rotel 1590C > 2m Mogami NEGLEX RCA to XLR cable with Neutrik connectors) > March Audio P501 Monoblocks with Purifi 1ET7040SA modules > DIY speaker cables (Tycab PVC doubly insulated 11 AWG OFC wire, TechFlex braid, Neotech Banana/Spade connectors) > Bryston PX-1 external crossovers > DIY speaker cables (as before) > Bryston Model T Signature Speakers. AC power filtered/cleaned via Thor A12BF Smart Power Board. 

Music Storage: Main Library: 6Tb Seagate HDD/Hub+6Tb Seagate HDD (all connections via 0.5m Avencore Premium USB 3.0 cables); Backups: as per Main Library (x2).





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